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great players make great coaches- true or false

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  1. hyacinthgirl hyacinthgirl is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2008 (4/6/2008 11:02pm)

    do you have to have been a great player in a sport to be a great coach in that sport? or do you believe that skill in playing and skill in coaching can often be exclusive and it's possible for a mediocre (or even worse) player to become a great coach?

    edit: i agree with what everyone has been saying; you don't have to be the best player to become the best coach. i think they take different skill sets that sometimes overlap but most often don't. i just didn't want to bias my own question before it got any answers <3
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    Apr 6th, 2008 (4/6/2008 11:03pm) in reply to hyacinthgirl

    alls i know is girls that talk sports and poker= sfhawt
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    Apr 6th, 2008 (4/6/2008 11:07pm) in reply to hyacinthgirl

    No IMO. I think you can be a mediocre player and still be a great coach.

    Great teachers of the game with a good mind for strategy= great coaches.
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    Apr 6th, 2008 (4/6/2008 11:09pm) in reply to hyacinthgirl

    Completely false.

    Coaching=leadership, management, and knowledge of the game. It has nothing to do with his physical skill at said game.
     
  5. Bigpun23 Bigpun23 is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2008 (4/6/2008 11:10pm) in reply to hyacinthgirl

    absolutley not. its the guys who dont play much who become good coaches. I guess i shouldnt say that. guys who know their rolls on a team and have played a coach type pos are the best. Catchers, Point Guards Safeties, come to mind. girardi avery johnson are a few examples. Ihtink guys like michael jordan, scottie pippen, magic johnson, big time playmakers dont newarly do as well lin coaching as say a role player who played along side them.
  6. Skywalker18 Skywalker18 is offline

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    Apr 6th, 2008 (4/6/2008 11:15pm) in reply to Bigpun23

    I agree with BigPun23, especially on the coach type positions thing.

    And I'd also add that the best players make equally as bad GMs. For every jerry West there are five Isiah Thomas'.
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    Apr 6th, 2008 (4/6/2008 11:23pm) in reply to Skywalker18

    There is only ONE Isiah Thomas.
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    Apr 6th, 2008 (4/6/2008 11:25pm) in reply to stevem1267

    Actually interesting you bring this topic up hya...

    I remember a while back during football season or something they were discussing which D1 college football coaches had NOT played football or something, and there were only like 3 coaches out of the 119 coaches that weren't ex-players.

    Now, first things first, I'm a pretty huge retard when it comes to sports, so basically, anything I say here is probably totally wrong and not true at all, and stuff, but here goes anyway:

    I think that probably what is going on is that, the people who are well known ex-players have a much EASIER time getting hired as coaches, because they already have their foot in the door. Much like how, if you are some huge celebs son or daughter, it is going to be a LOT easier for you to become an actor or actress or director, or producer or whatever in hollywood, even if you are not very good at it, much moreso than some random no-namer with no connections who is MUCH better at acting or directing or whatever but doesn't have his foot in the door at all, and thus will get it slammed in his face, even if he's the better one to go with in reality.

    So personally I think the people who should be getting hired as sports coaches are:

    NERDS!!!!!!!

    Not ex-players. Nope. Rather, super duper smart people, with I.Q.'s of like 170+. They are smart, and despite the fact that they never played the game, they will outcoach people with average intelligence and big names, because although as far as actually PLAYING the sport, it mainly is about athleticism, as far as COACHING the game I think it is mainly about being smart and making the best possible decisions at all times, which has to do with the brain, not the name, or the muscles.

    imo
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    Apr 6th, 2008 (4/6/2008 11:31pm) in reply to hyacinthgirl

    Definitely false.
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    Apr 6th, 2008 (4/6/2008 11:31pm) in reply to Arobinson11

    I cant think at too many great players who have been successful at coaching. Avery Johnson of the Mavs he was a decent player i would never say great. Larry Bird sucked at coaching the Pacers and Isiah Thomas sux at coaching. I dont know bout hockey bc I dont watch it.
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    Apr 6th, 2008 (4/6/2008 11:39pm) in reply to Arobinson11

    ask people who had Elgin Baylor and Wes Unseld running their franchises.

    F the Knicks. I think Isiah is doing a great job and is really on the verge of big things.
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    Apr 6th, 2008 (4/6/2008 11:47pm) in reply to hyacinthgirl

    It's not possible for a mediocre player to become a good coach in poker, but there are certainly people out there more renowned for their off-the-felt skills (Mike Caro, John Vorhaus, David Sklansky, and Ken Warren to name a few) than they are for anything that they have won.

    In sports, bad players become good coaches all the time. In baseball, Tommy Lasorda, Tony LaRussa, and Billy Martin were among the best ever, but weren't great ballplayers. Bill Belichick is known as a great coach, as is Marv Levy and Bill Parcells. They weren't Hall of Fame players.

    Being a good player doesn't make you a good communicator, but being a good communicator helps you succeed at coaching.
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    Apr 6th, 2008 (4/6/2008 11:47pm) in reply to Skywalker18

    yea he is doing great things like players losing respect for him and sexually harrassing women. I agree with what he is doing. 1 pt for Isiah!
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    Apr 6th, 2008 (4/6/2008 11:49pm) in reply to Jennifear

    Damn Jenn spoken like a true man! If I ddint know u were a woman I would have thought u were one. Now that i know that u are so in tune with sports will you marry me? j/k

    but that is the truest shit ive ever heard.
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    Apr 6th, 2008 (4/6/2008 11:52pm) in reply to hyacinthgirl

    A vast majority of professional coaches in the four major team sports (baseball, football, basketball and hockey) were never stars in their league. Most have some professional or at least college or minor league experience but very few of the elite players in their respective sport ever go on to become a great coach as well.
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    Apr 6th, 2008 (4/6/2008 11:59pm) in reply to emoneypitt

    Bill Lambier is a great WNBA coach but I don';t think he ever played women's basketball.
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    Apr 7th, 2008 (4/7/2008 12:08am) in reply to hyacinthgirl

    Idk wtf that Isiah Thomas' guys point was but I think he brings up a decent example. In 89-90 and 90-91 when the Detroit Pistons won the NBA Championship, Thomas was the "superstar" and Joe Dumars was like the the "Scottie Pippen" wingman not quite a superstar but always a good team player. After they retired Isiah Thomas became the Knicks GM and ruined that franchise while Dumars rebuilt the failing Pistons back into a top-level team. Obv they weren't coaches but I think its the same general principle, Thomas was better on the court but his game didn't cross over into strategy/running a team as well as Dumars did for whatever reason, obv two different things requiring two different skill sets.
     
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    Apr 7th, 2008 (4/7/2008 12:19am) in reply to hyacinthgirl

    4 major sports = false

    Poker = true

    Golf = false

    Pool = true

    Bowling = true
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    Apr 7th, 2008 (4/7/2008 12:24am) in reply to hyacinthgirl

    dont have to be great, but i agree with the poster who mentioned that it seems like a lot of the good coaches in baseball and the NBA were catchers or point guards when they played. coach on the floor makes good coach on the bench.
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    Apr 7th, 2008 (4/7/2008 12:31am) in reply to Reech

    not necessarily true, agriffrod's pretty much the worst teacher ever
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    Apr 7th, 2008 (4/7/2008 12:34am) in reply to hyacinthgirl

    I'm sure it's been said already, but...ABSOLUTELY NOT. Great players normally make for subpar coaches. They never had to slow down and think the game through; it always came super-naturally to most great players. Therefore, when they get in a situation where one of the kids doesn't understand what's going on, they don't know how to help. That's why guys like Scott Skiles (only guy I can think of right now) should make good coaches. They had to think the game in order to be effective, and that's what coaching is. You have to be very cognitive to be a coach...Baseball might be a lone exception, as hitting and pitching are always there to be taught.
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    Apr 7th, 2008 (4/7/2008 12:37am) in reply to hyacinthgirl

    Jordan and Pippen, Shaq and Kobe = Phil Jackson great coach

    Russell and Celtics = Red Auerbach great coach

    So yeah, great players make a great coach. Not even the best coach in the world can make the Miami Heat win ball games. (Ex: Pat Riley)
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    Apr 7th, 2008 (4/7/2008 12:41am) in reply to JokerJokerMan

     
    Originally Posted by JokerJokerMan View Post

    Jordan and Pippen, Shaq and Kobe = Phil Jackson great coach

    Russell and Celtics = Red Auerbach great coach

    So yeah, great players make a great coach. Not even the best coach in the world can make the Miami Heat win ball games. (Ex: Pat Riley)

    way to not read the OP.
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    Apr 7th, 2008 (4/7/2008 12:41am) in reply to JokerJokerMan

    I think you misunderstood the question, my man...
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