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Park51 Applies for $5M in 9/11 Recovery Money to Build Mosque Near Ground Zero

• By dnainfo dnainfo � 58 mins ago

Julie Shapiro, DNAinfo Reporter/Producer
LOWER MANHATTAN � The developers of the Park51 Islamic center are seeking federal post-9/11 recovery money to get their project off the ground.

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Oh boy. This will not end well.

as they should? this project would prob be one of the biggest steps towards actual recovery.

seems ok to me. They could use a good community center down there.

 

Originally Posted by AmSlim22

as they should? this project would prob be one of the biggest steps towards actual recovery.

oy vey

i think it all comes down to something like this:

everyone knows the example of a parent who loses a kid and then leaves their room untouched for a long time and nobody says anything to them about it bc they want to be sensitive to their feelings over such a tragic event. the parent is allowed to hold on to that grief and not really grow past it, bc everyone handles them with kid gloves and doesnt want to be the one to say what everyone is thinking. even tho, to actually say to that parent what is going on and what people think, would prob be the best thing for them in taking a step closer to emotional health.

in this situation, u have both the actual victim's families who we are being very sensitive too, but also on a larger scale the same thing is happening. in some ways the US as a whole is the parent and the tragic events of 9/11 is the loss of a child. since that event, the country has suffered from a lot of grief and all of Islam has become the outlet for that grief. blame is solely placed there and to think anything else is un-American.

if people actually knew what this project was and what its goal were, actual healing could take place. instead people puff up their chests and think they are true patriotic americans for standing up against this project and to look at it as anything other than a spit in the face is inconceivable.

so u disagree?

 

Originally Posted by AmSlim22

i think it all comes down to something like this:

everyone knows the example of a parent who loses a kid and then leaves their room untouched for a long time and nobody says anything to them about it bc they want to be sensitive to their feelings over such a tragic event. the parent is allowed to hold on to that grief and not really grow past it, bc everyone handles them with kid gloves and doesnt want to be the one to say what everyone is thinking. even tho, to actually say to that parent what is going on and what people think, would prob be the best thing for them in taking a step closer to emotional health.

in this situation, u have both the actual victim's families who we are being very sensitive too, but also on a larger scale the same thing is happening. in some ways the US as a whole is the parent and the tragic events of 9/11 is the loss of a child. since that event, the country has suffered from a lot of grief and all of Islam has become the outlet for that grief. blame is solely placed there and to think anything else is un-American.

if people actually knew what this project was and what its goal were, actual healing could take place. instead people puff up their chests and think they are true patriotic americans for standing up against this project and to look at it as anything other than a spit in the face is inconceivable.

This is more like someone going into a family's home and killing the wife and kids only to ask the dad for a ride home cause it's too cold to walk.

 

Originally Posted by AmSlim22

would love to hear how. so many people talk about being sensitive to the 9/11 familes, does that mean we have to whisper around them when talking about any of the 1billion plus muslims in the world in fear it may be mistaken as support of terrorism.

nahhh, just give them what they want when it comes to a place that may or may not still contain some missing body parts of their loved ones

 

Originally Posted by AmSlim22

no its like if someone was killed by one particular person who believed that watermelons ruled the world and told them to kill the kid, and then not letting anyone who ate watermelon within the surrounding neighborhood of the home.

why do they call it seedless watermelon if it still has those little white seeds?

 

Originally Posted by jetsjets1028

nahhh, just give them what they want when it comes to a place that may or may not still contain some missing body parts of their loved ones

should we give native americans back areas that may contain the buried bodies of their loved ones too.

i would be very suprised to learn that any body parts would be found at that location. also is there any chance that any of those people looking for body parts are practicing muslims?

 

Originally Posted by AmSlim22

should we give native americans back areas that may contain the buried bodies of their loved ones too.

YES....But they would probably decline and choose all of the casinos instead

i would be very suprised to learn that any body parts would be found at that location. also is there any chance that any of those people looking for body parts are practicing muslims?

WTF does your question even mean. If you were a Conservative, UD would rightly accuse you of building strawmen and Poopy would tell you to stop moving goalposts when it comes to this issue. Just because I think it's wrong for a Muslim house of worship to be built at or near Ground Zero, that doesn't mean that there are no good Muslims. Far from it. The Pope at the time decided it was in poor taste to build a church at Aushwitz. The Nazis weren't even Christians and I am no fan of any Pope. However, the Pope got it. You and your Imam friend obviously don't.

You are passionate about this issue and raise some very fair and thought provoking points. Try arguing about the real issues instead of the non-issues.

 

Originally Posted by p00pymcp00perton

I'm gonna sit this thread out and get a McRib for lunch. Being a godless asshole tastes so good!

Being godless myself I'm with you. The problem comes in when you criticize religions some people tend to defend one more than others and find criticism to be offensive and even racist, so I'll stay out of this discussion.

If they are so concerned about 'reconciliation', then why would they apply for $5M of 9/11 recovery funding? It is like they are intentionally pouring salt in the wound.

There are mosques all over the city, and everybody is getting along just fine. I do not see it as a bigotry issue. I doubt anybody would care at all if the worlds largest mosque was built anywhere north of Canal St.

But a church applying for recovery money to develop a community center would be ok, right? Nothing about this is "spitting in the face" of 9/11 survivors or whatever you crazies are trying to say. If the 9/11 recovery fund is set up to supply investment to businesses and organizations that want to locate near the 9/11 site (and it is kind of a shithole for a few blocks down there -- they need the money), then what's the problem again?

Extremists don't define an entire group. Just as Timothy McVeigh and the KKK don't define any religion, neither do the psychos that orchestrated 9/11. Why is this so hard to understand? It's interesting that, as humans, we're so caught up in the atrocity and the outrage of 9/11 that we seek vengeance at any cost -- this includes the sort of passive-aggressive racism (or religion-ism, lol) inherent in this entire community center debate. Rather than using this as an opportunity to do good for humanity by showing that we're decent, rational, neighbor-loving people, we want to use this as an opportunity to express our outrage at a group of people that have nothing to do with 9/11. In my mind, this whole debate is pathetic. Maybe we're not decent, rational, neighbor-loving people after all.

Semi-related: did you know that a recent study says 90%+ of Afghanistan males (living in Afghanistan) have never heard of the 9/11 attacks?