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  1. ill start off by saying this is going to be a bfactor-esq post, so if you dont have a few minutes to read this short story, leave now.

    Before I start I will also give fake names for characters. There is Brent, Sean, Alan, and Craig, along with me and my girlfriend.


    Ok, so I have thought about this now and then because of being invited places and feeling uncomfortable/not wanting to go so i always decline. Last new years eve(12/21/2010) I went to a Alans house, in which we then had a party bus take us to a bunch of bars, and the plan was to go back to his house and drink and sleep there. There was probably 20-30 people in total, some didn't go on the bus and just stayed there.

    So the night is fun aside from having to babysit on of my bestfriend who got way too drunk and started getting lippy and I had to give him money and put him in a cab to go home early. We get back to Alan's house and drink some more champaign and what not. Side story on Craig, hes that kid from highschool who thought all the girls wanted him, was the coolest thing since sliced bread, ect ect. He ends up saying something to my girlfriend that makes her mad, which she prob overracted and it wasn't the end of the world or like he tried to touch her or anything. He just said something douchey and I can't remember what exactly now. So I play peacemaker and say he didn't mean it blah blah blah, lets just go elsewhere, Craig its all good just leave us be whatever. Hes drunk, really apologetic, saying whatever she took offense too he didn't mean it, whatever, its cool. We pop another bottle and have another glass and are outside, and im talking to someone else when my girl freaks out on him saying he said something like "you're just jealous you can't fuck me tonight" or something along those lines. Ive already told her this kid is a douche, im not friends with him, he sucks, so just ignore him, and we go elsewhere again to the back patio. We have a cig on the porch. meanwhile we hear them inside talking about us. Alan's girlfriend is a huge cunt and is calling us white trash and her a slut, and at this point my addrenaline is pumping im like wtf. Prob the smallest kid there, but I was ready to just run in and start swinging. We finish our cig, and go in and Alan comes up to us and says you have two options, get the fuck out, or get the fuck out(cool story bro, i know)

    This is where Brent and Sean come in. Along with the kid I had to send home, these two are really my only boys of anyone there. Im "friends" with everyone else, to the extent where I see them often, we're cool, but I don't even have their phone numbers and would never hang out with them without Brent or Sean. So at this point im like what the fuck Alan, you can't be serious, and he's like im dead serious. Brent is nowhere to be found, and Sean if in the room next to us, def knows whats going on even though to this day claims he didn't, and its pretty much me and my girl against the house. Mind you its about 4 am on new years, we're both hammered as can be, and now we just feel more unwelcome and awkward as can be. So I just tell her fuck it, grab out shit, and we'll go home(about a 10 mile drive~15 minutes).

    By the time I got home, I was so pissed at Brent and Sean, I literally never wanted to see them again. Figured I might just be overracting and ill chill until the morning. Wake up, still super pissed, tell them both basically theyre shit friends and I don't care to hang out with them or anyone at that house that night again. Turns out though Brent had gone to sleep already and had 0 clue, so I easily forgave him. Sean took a little longer because he was right there and I just know how this kid thinks and he never wants to piss off the majority no matter who he's better friends with, but i eventually forgave him as well. Both were super apologetic and sincere and felt terrible about it. By the way, non of us like Craig, pretty much everyone in the house think the guy is biggest piece of shit ever.

    *side note about Brent and Sean. This isn't the first time I have felt betrayed by them. Freshman year of highschool, they pretty much left me high and dry to get my ass wooped by a dude twice my size. This kid I went to grade school with but was never really friends with, I got a BJ from his girlfriend. She was a huge slut tho, it was homecoming night, and I was literally laying down and she pulled out my dick and went at it, as a 14 year old, how in the fuck can i say no. Well me and another friend, Nate, get really high and go to meet up with them to do something. Little did I know the kid whose girl gave me a BJ was there. So theres 5 of us, and he pulls me off to the side and is like "dude, did you do something with Randi?" Mind you im high as balls, and I just kinda give him a half smile and say you gotta talk to her man, but I feel bad about it. Im sure he took my smerk as a fuck you and just swung on me. He didn't really fuck me up for how much bigger he was, he only got 3 or 4 punches in, i was able to block most of them. But what pissed me off was that Brent, Sean, and Nate all sat by and watched this go down. They didn't even ask the kid to chill out, they just watched him swing on me, when the four of us hung out every weekend, went to highschool, all good friends, still to this day, and the kid I fought was more of an acquantance to all of us(ie, i was way better friends/hung out way more often with these guys than him). After the kid gave up, I just asked them all what the fuck, thanks for having my back, and walked to another buddies house and got real drunk. Not only didnt they stop him, I kinda always felt they set me up by knowing he would be there and knowing he was pissed at me. It took me a few months to forgive any of them, but I definitely always had it in the back of my head

    So now I felt like I was betrayed again by Sean and Brent, but Brent was sleeping so I didn't hold it against him. Sean I still hold it against a little, but have mostly got over it. Fast forward to the present, both Sean and Brent are still friends with Alan, hang out with him regularly, probably more than with me esp since I have a kid now. They both know I fucking hate Alan for pulling that shit and never wanna see him again, but they still hang out with him all the time, and even tell stories about "oh last weekend at the bars with a,b,c, and alan, blah blah blah" and "oh we're going to x this weekend, alan will be there you wanna come?"

    It just pisses me off a little that they still hang out with him a lot, not soley because of that, but mainly because whenever that night is brought up, theyre both always like oh man that was so fucked up, i felt terrible, it pisses me off ect., and then go hang out with him the next night

    Also, if Alan woulda called and apologized even a month or two after, I prob would be over it by now. But thats not his style. Hes a rich cock bag who talks shit on a bunch of people. Almost everyone outside of a few people only hang out with him because hes friends with those few people and because he's never "done anything to them". thats pretty much how i always was. I knew he was an asshole, but he had never done anything to me so I could stand to be around him

    So basically, Im just curious how others would have played it. Would you have been friends after the first incident? after the 2nd? after the fact that as much as they know I hate this kid they still chill with him all the time?

    Have I played this right by just not wanting to chill with this kid and still being friends with Sean and Brent and even Nate? Would you have said fuck you to all of them by now? would you still hang out with them when they chill with this kid?

    Just curious how everyone would have reacted and if maybe Im acting like a little bitch about it and should hang out with them. I prob still wont because like I said I have a kid and rarely go out, so when I do im not gonna wanna chill with him regardless, but none the less, im curious.

    My personal opinion is im probably being a little bit of a bitch not wanting to hang out with them when he's there, but I honestly dont care that much. I go out so little, I don't wanna have a shitty night the few nights I go out, so I just say no whenever hes around and do something else.

    any other comments, questions, or answers to questions i didn't ask would be appreciated. going to bed will check back tomorrow some time.
     
  2. doesnt read like a fight, seems you got your ass beat and are still bitter your friends didnt break it up. clear the shit with your friends, Fuck the guy who beat you imo.
  3. not bitter about first incident at all.

    just to clarify, Alan and dude who I got in a fight with aren't the same people. Just thought that some people might get confused.

    Im really not bitter towards Sean or Brent at all, just wouldn't count on them taking a bullet for me is all really. Still annoys me they chill with Alan still, not enough to have any hard feelings towards them, just enough to annoy me.
     
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  4. In a similar sort of situation. I just go out and basically ignore then person. Well not completely ignore him, but dont remember the last time i actually had more than a 30 second conversation with him. We used to be pretty good friends as well but basically dont trust him any more. But if i didnt go out if he was going to be there i would probably just end up staying in most weekends so for me it is either go out with my friends and deal with it or stay in
  5. I'm surprised I was actually able to make it all the way through that. Couldn't help but ask myself "how old is this guy??" about halfway through.

    Anyway, yes, you're being a bit of a bitch about it, but if you don't care, fuck it. If there is one thing I've learned by 28, it's that there are TOOOOONS of people who simply will not apologize, ever, no matter what. As someone who finds it difficult to hold grudges, I just have to get over it, or pick better company--those are the only choices. Trying to induce an apology from someone is something I have tried far too many times, almost always unsuccessfully. Even if you do manage to get one out of someone, it's insincere and you probably had to lecture them for them to even understand your POV. By that point their oi factor towards you is super high and you somehow end up being the bad guy. This has kinda turned into my own little rant about how much I fucking despise people who can't admit when they're wrong, but ya, total waste of time trying to reason with these folks. /rant
  6.  

    Im really not bitter towards Sean or Brent at all, just wouldn't count on them taking a bullet for me is all really

    Id guess this upsets youmore than it should, buy some scotch and hear their side of it, this shit will agitate you til you get it out.
  7. * champagne ..

    I think you are all mistaken about this case.
    When you tell your whinning lil' bitch to STFU she has to STFU.
  8. quietwinner, you're making this too complicated. You're friends with them because you feel personal benefit from being their friend. You weigh the positives and negatives of everything, and in the end, it's +EV to you to be friends with them. That's all it is.

    You're not married to them. They're not married to you. You all can do your own things and be buddies with each other. Maybe you see them as like they're your absolute best friends, while they don't see you as a best friend? IDK.

    It seems like you're more attached to them and view the friendship differently than they do their friendship with you.

    Also, you just might treat these things on a deeper, more emotional level than those guys. Being a poker player, and married, having been in a serious relationship and having a kid and stuff, I'm just going to infer that you're not a caveman that just takes things at face value and what they are at the surface. If someone says something, you probably aren't the type to just interpret it 100% literally. You're married...I bet you understand your wife and can really pick her apart and understand what she feels, means, wants from you, etc. despite her not being super direct with it or whatever (just guessing, I don't know if this is true about you or your wife in terms of communication...it's just an assumption based on the standard male/female roles). What I'm getting at, is that maybe these guys just have stuff bounce off them, they don't think as deeply or take things the same way you do.

    To you, these events mean a lot. You have an idea in your own head of what they mean to you as friends. Them? Who knows. Don't take it personally or like they aren't your friends. They're still your friends.

    Best friends, though? Guys that you can always lean on and that will always have your back? Now maybe that's different.

    EDIT: Oh ya, one more thought...

    You can't make them choose between Alan/Craig and you. That's not the type of relationship that you guys have as friends. Just because they won't drop Alan/Craig in order to support you doesn't mean they're not your friends. You probably care more about them than they care about you. You appreciate their company and like the perks of hanging out with them, but you don't like their baggage. Like a close relationship (like with your wife), you'd expect her to get rid of that baggage because she loves you. Brent and Sean? Not the same.

    Disclaimer: total stream of consciousness, not thought through at all, but maybe I hit some points correctly. I need to go to sleep. I like how I started my post saying you're making this too complicated, and then I wrote all that. Welp.
    Edited By: marinersheep Jan 20th, 2012 at 01:38 PM
     
  9. you celebrate new years on the 21st?
  10. depends bro. sounds like either these dudes were about as close friends with you as this alan dude, if so they didnt wanna make anyone mad at them. on the same note, if someone isnt close enough to you to insta have your back in any situation, then they aren't even worth worrying about so fuck em... but yea tbh sounds like your girl was too drunk as well and went jersey shore on them. just my 120 posts worth of advice...
  11. That's a long read...cliffs? pics? MS paint diagrams?

    Didn't read. I'll go with idiot, since I like you, and bitch seems a little harsh.
     
  12.  
    Originally Posted by quietwinner View Post

    and Alan comes up to us and says you have two options, get the fuck out, or get the fuck out

    Anyone who chose that moment to try to come up with a B Movie catchphrase is definitely a smarmy little pussy. He knew he wasn't man enough to just say what he wanted to say in a direct way.

    I'd be pissed that my 'boys' would ever want to hang out with him. You are never gonna have peace of mind until you get to hit Alan. Since you can't just hit him now unprovoked without this rich little bitch narcing on you, I'd go along next time Brent and Sean invite you to hang - a couple of drinks into the night you can start pushing Alan's buttons, and as soon as he gives you the slightest opening, just smash him in the jaw. I'm not kidding - if you let this slide it's gonna bother you forever.
  13. The only comparable thing I've been involved with (I live a real drama free life):

    About 5 years ago my buddy was dating this chick and he cheated on her with my friend. Well he told his GF and they stayed together and actually got married a few years later. So now he and his wife are real good friends and I'm still real good friends with the girl he cheated with so it's annoying as shit because like tomorrow the buddy and wife are coming over to my house along with 5 or so others so I have to make sure the girl he cheated with isn't there. I just constantly have to make sure those two friends never show up to the same thing or there will be drama.

    Drama is annoying. IMO you can't really get on the guy who didn't do anything at that party - you're putting him in an awkward spot to choose between friends when he just wants to be friends with both sides. That would be like my friends wife (who again became a good friend of mine) telling me to not hang out with the girl her husband cheated on.
  14. Honestly, I think you are being a little bit of a bitch (as you suspected). The best thing to do imo is to just go out with them and pay Alan no attention. Don't speak until spoken too other than the customary "What's up" when you arrive. You have to learn how to get over shit, and move on. If things keep happening to bother you with these guys, then its time to remove yourself from their company at that point. But if I were you, I'd give it another go if you miss going out and hanging with these guys.
  15. im not sure if hes levelling, but i actually agree with kellyk.

    only way you forget this is if you dinked him the second he said that fuck off or fuck off line.

    but whatever man. booze messes people up. who cares. you kno your friends are like they are (non confrontational. never against the majority etc) and you hung out with them knowing that. so why should you be pissed now...
  16. sounds like you hang out with really shitty people.

    get new people who dont suck
  17. Your friends are pussies. If you still wanna be friends with them knowing that they will be pussies if there is ever a confrontation, that's cool, but you need to get over that shit with Alan. He made you leave to avoid you getting your ass beat. Again. He helped you imo.
     
  18. Are you a girl in the third grade?
  19.  
    Originally Posted by deadeyehank View Post

    im not sure if hes levelling, but i actually agree with kellyk.

    only way you forget this is if you dinked him the second he said that fuck off or fuck off line.

    I'm dead serious. This is one of those cases where he needs to hit this guy to have peace. Look how long ago it was, and he is still pissed off. He swallowed that built up adrenaline at that moment, and is still paying for it. I'm not advocating walking up to the guy in broad daylight and smacking him, but he can put himself in the perfect circumstance to right this, where it will just be framed as a little scrap between 2 buzzed dudes hanging out.
  20. I cant believe I read the whole thing, that being said... things that happen when you grow up effect your outlook on life presently. If these guys are you true friends they stand up for you, no matter what the beating woudl of been. They betrayed you, prob wont ever truly trust them

    You think these guys are your best friends, but in reality they are just friends. they still hang with Douche Bag guy bc he is single, you have a kid... you are at a different spot in your life.

    That being said, recognize that you are in a different spot, quit holding a grudge, know that Alan is a douche, and quit being a bitch about it.
  21. or just shit in his underwear drawer
  22. Friends in my teens thru 20's. 15+
    Friends in my 30's, 10
    Friends in my 40's, 1
  23. stop being emo.
  24. lol someone twice the size of you is beating the shit out of you and your friends just stand there and watch? Cool friends bro.
  25. ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

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    seriously tho if u think they're shit friends stop being friends with em... more important shit in your life to worry about than some kids u ran with in high school

     
    Originally Posted by voorh33s View Post

    lol someone twice the size of you is beating the shit out of you and your friends just stand there and watch? Cool friends bro.


    this... shoulda known they were bitches a long time ago
  26.  
    Originally Posted by El Burro View Post

    Are you a girl in the third grade?

    This. And how the fuck are serious replies outnumbering the mean smart ass ones? I usually think all the "ot has changed" crap is a bunch of whining, this thread is changing my mind. El burro wins this thread.
  27. no, yes, yes.
  28. bfactor wants cliffs.

    I did read but have no advice/comment.
  29. I wouldn't let it bother me. It's really not all that big of a deal. Stay away from Alan, and don't be aggravated that your friends hang out with him. Some of my buddies have friends who I don't really care for. That doesn't mean I'm going to get upset when they tell me a story of being out with one of those people.

    Oh, and what goes around comes around. Alan will get hit one day. So don't worry about it; let everything run its course. Focus on the positive things instead of letting the smaller negative things bother you.
  30.  
    Originally Posted by voorh33s View Post

    lol someone twice the size of you is beating the shit out of you and your friends just stand there and watch? Cool friends bro.

    ^^^ couldn't be bothered with them. life's too short