Get the Ruger. I also have a P95, love it!

you can't hit and kill a coyote with a shotgun? I don't think you need an assault rifle.

Get the ruger, and it's not even close IMO.

 

Originally Posted by imhooks

you can't hit and kill a coyote with a shotgun? I don't think you need an assault rifle.

I think he wants to pick the bastard off at more than 15 yards or so...no shotgun. Get the rifle.

This oughta do the trick:

 

Originally Posted by imhooks

you can't hit and kill a coyote with a shotgun? I don't think you need an assault rifle.

You can, but it depends on a lot of different factors. First, I'm not sure about state law. Second, if makes a difference whether you're shooting in a thick wooded area or an open field. Third, they're pretty skittish and have good senses. Getting them close enough to hit with a shotgun might take some doing.

In any event, I want an "assault" rifle (I LOL that you called it that). Sounds like Ruger is leading, but this Keltec has some really cool features.

Folding stock (will shoot folded)

Extra 30 rd M16 mag fits in buttstock

tripod

etc.

But yeah, you really can't go wrong with a Ruger. I'm sure 9mm carbine is perfect for this size of game also.

 

Originally Posted by threebanger

Sounds like Ruger is leading, but this Keltec has some really cool features.

Folding stock (will shoot folded)

Extra 30 rd M16 mag fits in buttstock

tripod

etc.

But yeah, you really can't go wrong with a Ruger. I'm sure 9mm carbine is perfect for this size of game also.

I would get the Keltec just because I think it would be more fun to shoot. You won't go wrong with either one tho obv.

 

Originally Posted by threebanger

 

Originally Posted by TMLMS13

you americans and your guns. No wonder there is so much violence

Those of us you are referring to are law-abiding citizens, most of whom have never perpetrated a single act of violence (outside of Iraq, that is). If anything our legal possession of firearms and our responsible carry and usage of them helps prevent violence in our society, and certainly keeps it away from our families and our doorsteps.

Truly ignorant comment.

LOL is this a fuckin joke?

PM EricHolder

 

Originally Posted by threebanger

 

Originally Posted by TMLMS13

you americans and your guns. No wonder there is so much violence

Those of us you are referring to are law-abiding citizens, most of whom have never perpetrated a single act of violence (outside of Iraq, that is). If anything our legal possession of firearms and our responsible carry and usage of them helps prevent violence in our society, and certainly keeps it away from our families and our doorsteps.

Truly ignorant comment.

loooooooooooool

I guess I should reverse my statement.

you americans and violence, no wonder you need so many guns

 

Originally Posted by OneM24

Get the ruger, and it's not even close IMO.

If he don't know then nobody knows.

given the VERY limited choice you present,the kel tec. .223 is cheap and plentiful,has much better range and knockdown power for varmint size critters. m-16 mags cheap. it already has a bipod for stability when shooting longer ranges. folds down for easy storage in the truck(wich is where it should be-either for critters or emergency) just my opinion but spring for almost any AR variant-i have had several-a lifetime of shoot ability,endless modifications for any situation and they plain just look better.

 

Originally Posted by TMLMS13

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

 

Originally Posted by TMLMS13

you americans and your guns. No wonder there is so much violence

looooooooooooooool quick, how many legal guns were used in crimes in the US last year? I'll wait.

im sure there was at least one, and that is too many

It's a can of worms. You obviously don't understand it. From what I can understand, Americans need their guns because there are so many people with guns around.

Never mind that countries with strict gun control legislation have really low gun-related crime stats.

I don't think you're a real man unless you own a gun.

 

Originally Posted by TMLMS13

you americans and your guns. No wonder there is so much violence

You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

So, even though we elected a President who despises those who bitterly cling to their guns, we are still stereotyped as "you Americans" by "you foreigners".

Comments like yours show your complete lack of understanding of American history and culture. In the event you haven't noticed, most American are different from other people and have no desire to be like Europeans or Canadians.

For example, we see Europeans and Canadians as people who have essentially relied on our willingness to protect not only our freedom, but yours as well, through out recent history.

See, when we makes jokes about you being America's hat, it is all in good fun because we like you, even though you are different. We are secure enough in our values and beliefs to, not only support your way of life, but to help you protect it. Yet, you find it necessary to bitterly criticize our way of life because it does not comport with your idea of what a "good" society should be. Interesting.

btw I am going to need some help from some of you shortly, as I will be purchasing my first handgun and I'm a noob, so I'll need some input.



I love Canadians. Having them next door is like having a little puppy to take care of. They are so cute and needy.

 

Originally Posted by BulldogCafe

 

Originally Posted by Willywoo

Canadians as people who have essentially relied on our willingness to protect not only our freedom, but yours as well, through out recent history.

examples?

Not really necessary, but do you think that you have benefited from our national defense programs at all? Are you familiar with the relationship between our countries as it relates to air and space defense and what Canada's contribution is to that since the 1970's compared to our contribution? Your country relies on us for air and space defense. When those Russian planes came toward your airspace earlier this week, do you know how your country knew they were there?

Here is an interesting report on the subject written by the Canadian Defence and Foreign Affairs Institute in 2003. In the event you do not wnat to read the entire report I have copied the following excerpt from pages 8 and 9.

IV) Canada’s Defences Today.

Canada’s defences are heavily dependent on the United States. By the start of 2003 Canada and the United States had entered into more than 2,500 military accords. There are currently over 80 treaty level agreements, 145 bilateral military or defence forums, and more than 250 memoranda of understanding governing defence relations between the two countries. The entire apparatus governs joint defence activities of all types and gives the Canadian defence industry unprecedented access to United States technology, testing facilities, and markets.