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  1. screwit9 screwit9 is offline

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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 3:55pm)

    we are on the topic of musicals.

    my view: just because there is music/song performed in a film, doesn't make it a musical

    opposing view: yeah it does

    so please help decide on these 2 particular movies:

    That Thing You Do

    Walk The Line (they have said that it is because golden globe gave it a nomination for best musical/comedy then it is, or golden globe is retarded - which i was kinda torn on)

    thank you
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 3:57pm) in reply to screwit9

     
    Originally Posted by screwit9 View Post


    That Thing You Do

    no way on erff.
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 3:58pm) in reply to screwit9

    grease, sound of music ....yes

    walk the line ....not so much
     
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 3:59pm) in reply to kidrockin

    agree with this... a musical is when the story is told in song
     
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 4:00pm) in reply to kidrockin

     
    Originally Posted by kidrockin View Post


    grease, sound of music ....yes

    walk the line ....not so much

    thats what i feel about walk the line, i don't even know how its considered a musical because its not like they randomly broke into song or the songs they sang developed the the storyline
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 4:04pm) in reply to screwit9

    As BC said:

    If the story is told in song it's a musical. If not, then it isn't.

    Sweeny Todd - Musical.

    That Thing you do? Not a musical. Not even close to one.
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 4:05pm) in reply to CleeShay

    agreed ... a musical is a story told through song ... a movie with good music in it is just a movie with good music
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 4:11pm) in reply to BlufferChic

     
    Originally Posted by BlufferChic View Post

    agree with this... a musical is when the story is told in song

    I will subscribe to that philosophy as well.
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 4:12pm) in reply to screwit9

    I just wanna say that "That Thing You Do" is a very underrated motion picture. I effin love that movie.
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 4:14pm) in reply to threebanger

    I have always wanted to ask beki or bluffer does that really live on the same island they do
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 4:15pm) in reply to threebanger

     
    Originally Posted by threebanger View Post

    I just wanna say that "That Thing You Do" is a very underrated motion picture. I effin love that movie.

    agreed x 17
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 4:17pm) in reply to towman1

    i'm sorry what?
     
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 4:18pm) in reply to heavyj80

     
    Originally Posted by heavyj80 View Post

     
    Originally Posted by threebanger View Post


    I just wanna say that "That Thing You Do" is a very underrated motion picture. I effin love that movie.

    agreed x 17

    but is it a musical?
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 4:24pm) in reply to BlufferChic

     
    Originally Posted by BlufferChic View Post

    i'm sorry what?

    in that thing you do the guy played by tom evertt scott gets the girl played by liv tyler
    and they move to bainbridge island washington and start a music conservetory

    is that true?
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 4:24pm) in reply to screwit9

    Is it a musical? No. But damn that title song is catchy as hell.

    My favorite scene (besides "table 14, your pizza is ready" or whatever they say) is when the song finally hits the radio and they go nuts running through town and dancing around at the furniture store. That feeling of pure elation I have only felt a few times in my life and feeling it again is what I live for.
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 4:27pm) in reply to towman1

    oh, i don't remember the movie very well... bainbridge is home to lots of writers and actors, but that's about it
     
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 4:28pm) in reply to screwit9

    i just showed them this link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_musicals:_M_to_Z

    and they say has no relevance because it is user based

    **EDIT** see post below
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 4:29pm) in reply to BlufferChic

     
    Originally Posted by BlufferChic View Post

    oh, i don't remember the movie very well... bainbridge is home to lots of writers and actors, but that's about it

    oh ........well that is a let down
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 4:31pm) in reply to towman1

    a movie about musicians is not a musical
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 4:48pm) in reply to screwit9

     
    Originally Posted by screwit9 View Post

     we are on the topic of musicals.

    my view: just because there is music/song performed in a film, doesn't make it a musical

    opposing view: yeah it does

    so please help decide on these 2 particular movies:

    That Thing You Do

    Walk The Line (they have said that it is because golden globe gave it a nomination for best musical/comedy then it is, or golden globe is retarded - which i was kinda torn on)

    thank you

    This is an exerp from the actual conversation.

    Chris says: (4:10:53 PM) ok Heath, walk the line also had MUSIC, but was listed as musical by the Golden Globes Chris says: (4:10:56 PM) so the GG are wrong? Chris says: (4:11:29 PM) or is it possible that a movie listed as MUSIC can also be considered a musicAL by the golden globes Heath says: (4:11:34 PM) so by your deduction, any movie that has music performed makes it a musical Jon says: (4:11:48 PM) no, absolutely not Chris says: (4:11:57 PM) any movie that has music as a huge part of the plot is a musical Jon says: (4:11:58 PM) u know what i'm saying and you're being fucking ridiculous

    This post is a horrible representation of our view of a musical vs his.

    Heath says: (4:18:05 PM) a musical is when the story is told in song Chris says: (4:18:24 PM) good level Jon says: (4:18:59 PM) musical (noun): a stage, television or film production utilizing popular-style songs - dialogue optional - to either tell a story (book musicals) or showcase the talents of the writers and/or performers (revues).

    This is a more accurate representation of the argument. Just to clarify.
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 4:51pm) in reply to screwit9

    i guess when i think of musical, i think of sweeney todd and chicago and in no way are either of them like That Thing You Do and Walk The Line
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 5:04pm) in reply to screwit9

    lol, just saw this, from the wiki link:

    <span>That Thing You Do<span> </span>A musical according to Jon Englert, astute film major, and Chris Brown, Golden Globe consultant</span>

    <span>Walk The Line, A musical according to Jon Englert, astute film major, and Chris Brown, Golden Globe consultant</span>

    wp
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 6:47pm) in reply to screwit9

    The second part of the definition, "revue", makes this tricky. The two films in question featured actors portraying musicians. I think for it to qualify as a musical it has to be either actors telling a story through music OR musicians making a film to promote their music.

    walk the line= drama ; Joaquin Phoenix in 8 Mile 2 = Musical

    interestingly, I think this would make The Blues Brothers a musical. What do you think?
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