check the other thread then...

 

Originally Posted by watson5j

check the other thread then...

how's this:

The House of Representatives passed legislation for the first time Saturday night that would provide health coverage to almost every American after nearly a century of false starts and un-kept campaign promises.

The final vote was 220-215. In all, 219 Democrats voted to approve the measure in a largely party-line vote, with 39 Democrats voting no. One Republican supported the bill, Rep. Joseph Cao (R-La.).

The bill has a steep cost – both in dollars, $1.2 trillion, and political capital – but Democrats hailed its passage as the next chapter in a governing legacy that produced Medicare and Social Security.

“Today, as we all know, is an historic moment for our nation and for American families,” Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on the House floor hours before the vote.

President Barack Obama has made health care reform his signature legislative priority — and he put his personal prestige on the line Saturday by traveling to the Capitol to rally Democrats, telling them to answer the call of history by passing the bill.

But Republicans were equally sweeping in their objections to the bill. “This is perhaps the worst bill I have seen come to the floor in my 11 years in Congress,” said Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan.

The bill includes fundamental changes to the American health care system – creating a public health insurance option to compete with private insurers and for the first time, requiring employers to offer health insurance.

The path ahead remains shaky – for the bill and for many of the Democrats who voted to approve it. Party leaders need to mend the bruised feelings that will linger from this debate before they can address whatever legislation the Senate can produce.

And in the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid has made clear he might not meet the White House’s Christmas deadline to pass a bill and is still struggling to find 60 votes for Senate legislation.

Fights over abortion, immigration and the size of the federal government exposed long-standing cultural and regional divides within the disparate Democratic caucus. A last-minute abortion fight left a particularly bitter taste in the mouth of Democratic women who spent the early part of their careers fighting for reproductive rights.

“People are furious,” said Colorado Rep. Diana DeGette.

After hours of negotiations with a group of abortion opponents, led by Indiana Rep. Brad Ellsworth, and the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, Pelosi made a final painful sacrifice to pick up crucial support, allowing a vote on an amendment sponsored by Ellsworth and Michigan Rep. Bart Stupak that would bar any insurance company participating in the exchange program from covering the procedure.

Stupak’s amendment passed with a vote of 240 -194-1. Republican Rep. John Shadegg of Arizona was the one present vote.

The two sides engaged in a fevered debate on the House floor hours before the House approved the overarching health care bill, with DeGette calling the amendment “a wolf in sheep’s clothing” and Connecticut Rep. Rosa DeLauro, a Pelosi ally, saying, “It attempts an unprecedented overreach.”

But in the end, Democrats, like DeGette, subverted their political prerogatives and personal anger for a bigger goal – providing health care to 97 percent of the country.

“I don't believe any of us believe we can hold up what we've been fighting for ... and that's health care," said Rules Committee Chairwoman Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.), who left her own chamber when the panel granted Stupak his vote.

The bill would expand coverage to 36 million uninsured Americans through a mix of subsidies and incentives and mandates on individuals and businesses. Under the plan, individuals would have to secure insurance through their employers or through an insurance exchange established by the bill. Authors set aside subsidies to help lower- and middle-income Americans who don’t qualify for Medicaid pay for that insurance.

In an effort to lower premiums across the marketplace, House Democrats would create a government insurance option to compete with private insurers that would operate in the exchange. And businesses with more than $500,000 in annual payroll would be required to cover their employees or pay a penalty of as much as 8 percent of the combined salaries.

anyone have a link that breaks down the vote?

can't find out if Bart Gordon (D-TN) voted yeah, or nah.

this won't pass the senate, will it?

 

Originally Posted by LDM

*i can't believe anyone would brag about SS and MC?

looool - this, too*

Keep Robert Half and other temp agencies on your future stock watch lists. Expect companies to hire temps at times of the year they need them and to outsorce other stuff to remain under the 500k payroll levels. All ex-salary cap specialists from the NFL will be in demand. F'ing liberals. Talk about underemployed, let's wait those few months to pick up a little work here and there. Although tons of new companies as subsidiaries could be the loophole there if it exists. Spinoff the accounting department, the sales department, the billing department as seperate companies who justttt happppppen to work in the same building lolllll.

 

Originally Posted by pigalet42

"<span>Democrats hailed its passage as the next chapter in a governing legacy that produced Medicare and Social Security." </span>

<span><span>i can't believe they have the nerve to say shit like this when the bill they're proposing/just passed plans to gut Medicare*
</span></span>

and lol @ this from the AP: "<span>The president said Democrats have a 70-year history of creating and defending programs like Social Security and Medicare"</span>

Lolllllll "defending" being the key word! Justifying also wouldve worked.

Goooooo Bart!!!

<h1>Gordon Votes Against House Health Care Bill</h1>
November 7, 2009, WASHINGTON, D.C. – Congressman Bart Gordon voted against the House health care bill (H.R. 3962) today, citing concerns about its ability to reduce health care costs.

“I firmly believe that any responsible health care bill must do two things: improve access to health care for small businesses and the uninsured, and reduce health care spending. This bill does one but not the other, it falls short of sufficiently cutting health care spending.”

The Congressional Budget Office recently evaluated H.R. 3962 and indicated that the bill would not reduce, but instead would increase, the federal government’s spending on health care over the long-term.

 

Originally Posted by Neeek

in your stupid faces, republicans.

no abortions though.

*but if they don't CALL it a tax, it's not a tax! presto!!!

I am considering starting a charity to pay for women's abortions, with additional incentives for repeat customers. that should help.

 

Originally Posted by pigalet42

*but if they don't CALL it a tax, it's not a tax! presto!!!

Bink. Such cap and tradeaments....I tried to warn ya this type of thing was predictably coming during the election. I saw this spending pattern in my wife long ago. Once it starts you can't talk logic until it's allll goneeeee! Lolllll. Should I throw in an fml there or no?

*but it's for the cheeeeeldren!!!

 

Originally Posted by pigalet42

*but it's to keeeel the cheeeeeldren!!!

I couldn't resist. Sorry.

boom we just cracked an egg of healthcare all over your faces...think ill get a free boob job, thanks rich guys. USA USA USA.