Originally Posted by ginwilly

STD, I don't think Jeff or anyone is suggesting we go to war over this. The plan I keep hearing is enforce a no fly zone so the crazy fucker won't open fire over crowds. If our government ever reached the point where they opened fire on the daily wackos on Pennsylvania Ave I would hope another government would try to prevent it from happening again.

I think everyone is trying to figure out a way to threaten him into leaving, but it's not going to happen. We can't even think about more empty threats from the US, North Korea would go nuts. If we do make these threats we better be willing to shoot people out of the sky, because the crazy fucker is going to call any bluff.

A good reason for us to just stay the fuck out of this is it's just the beginning over there and no way can we get involved in all of them, especially when each new uprising may be worse than the last.

Waiting until the Saudi Sheiks start panicking so we can make them our bitches instead of the opposite is a viable option too.

well enforcing a no fly zone is very similar to a declaration of war. Libya/gaddafhi might not technically declare war on us if a no fly zone was instituted because he knows thats a war he can't win, but we would certainly become enemies.

Also this no fly zone might only serve to prolong the war. (it will neutralize gaddafhis air superiority, which would make it more difficult for him to end the uprising) GRANTEd it could also speed up the process if the rebels are the winning side.

Arabs killing Arabs....Duh "Winning"

Bout tree fiddy

A no fly zone is needed. Its what a lot of Libyans seem to want. However they do not want a US or any other military invading their country. Implement a no fly zone and help out with humanitarian aid, thats what they need. Theres no doubt the US already has people on the ground like the UK had (that turned out loltastically).

Edit: also some1 posted a pic claiming Hugo Chavez was responsible for genocide, links to evidence please? I don't think Chavez should still be in power but i've never heard about him committing genocide.

 

Originally Posted by Z-Fresh

When a country's citizens rise up on their own to overthrow a dictator for democracy and ask the US for help is when we should take part IMO.

how many of their citizens? Do we need to go in and take a poll? Robert Heinlein once said a very smart thing, you can't be given freedom you must earn it or you will be unable to keep it. Look at all the "success" stories of us going in and "freeing" a people from a bad regime. Not one of those countries is what you would call stable, some decades later.

 

Originally Posted by saxman

We're trying to impose modern western standards on people that are 100 or more years behind us in terms of development. It's just fucktarded.

lol cause we haven't been a democracy for almost 300 years. I understand your point but you ain't helping yourself.

 

Originally Posted by SILKY JOHNSON

Arabs killing Arabs....Duh "Winning"

check a map

A no fly zone won't prevent the kidnaps, tourture and execution. We should not be invading a third country at this time. Why should American lives be lost and billions spent on this civil dispute? It's horrible but so is so much in this world. It's time to fix america. Entering another battle field will only perpetuate our fall and cause further instability to an unstable region.

War is never easy and rarely right.

Ron Paul ftw

Always enjoy listening to Paul talk foreign policy

 

Originally Posted by penileinfection

well enforcing a no fly zone is very similar to a declaration of war. Libya/gaddafhi might not technically declare war on us if a no fly zone was instituted because he knows thats a war he can't win, but we would certainly become enemies.

Also this no fly zone might only serve to prolong the war. (it will neutralize gaddafhis air superiority, which would make it more difficult for him to end the uprising) GRANTEd it could also speed up the process if the rebels are the winning side.

lol is this guy for real? no, imposing a no fly zone is not like a war. Oh but quadaffi might get upset and declare war on us? Oh Noes! wtf is he going to do? lol what a joke. Be careful, that dicator on the run in his own country is going to...uh...hmm.

and the no fly zone could prolong the war because he couldn't kill his people faster. good point? I agree! lol tf?

and holy shit ron paul is a fucking retard.

 

Originally Posted by Clerk

Obv not. I could'nt name 1 single time when a capitalist country has been accused of anything similar.

well, we did drop a few bombs and some countries would put it in the same light. I wouldn't though ftr.

Unfortunately, I think we will find out who is right.

norcal every single time you post anything longer than 2 sentances I want to watch you and everybody that thinks like you die...

it honestly makes me sad that people think the way you do

 

Originally Posted by emcee21

What the fuck kind of thing is that to say?

Haha right? some ez fishing round these parts imo. Grab a pole. Theyre biting hard.

ok sorry... I dont want to watch him die... I cant even stand the sight of blood...

would much rather that nobody on this earth thought the way he did tho