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A little backstory:
Edited By: ajedrez Oct 11th, 2010 at 05:43 PM
I work at a small software startup in NYC. For the most part I Like the people I work with, the job itself is decent, but to be frank I don't see our company going anywhere. If I had to bet, I'd wager that we'll likely be out of business in a year, maybe a year and a half. Needless to say, I've been keeping my resume polished and my eyes open for better opportunities should they arise.
Which brings me to my current dilemma....an old friend of mine from college just started his own software startup out west. His cofounder is apparently pretty well connected to the VC / Angel Investment community out there, and they are in pretty good shape to secure a couple hundred K in seed funding, which should hold them over for at least a couple years or so.
When he was first doing the initial specs / laying the groundwork for his company we talked /bounced ideas off one another on chat for a while, and now he's proposing that if I'd like I can join the team remotely as a developer after they get funding. Then, once my lease is up, I can move out west if I'd like. The only catch is it'd likely be taking a decent paycut, I'm not sure of the exact amount however at this point.
Which brings me to my question... how much of a paycut would you be willing to take to work from home? 10% ? 15%?
I'd save a decent amount monthly on commuting / eating out for lunch everyday (yeah I know I can pack a lunch but w/e)
I'd save a lot more time not commuting
I'd save a lot in sanity not dealing with people I cant' stand / politics in the office
I'd likely get a better equity/options deal than at my current job.
Company is more promising, located in better area of the country for software startups (imo)
buuuutttt..... I'd be taking a decent paycut.
I'm a single 20 something guy with very little expenses so its not that big of a deal, but how much is too much? what say you OT? -
I'd say you're young and take the chance, who knows you might be apart of something bigger than anyone expected and end up rollin in cash
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Lots of other factors to consider.
i.e., taking a 15% paycut on a 50k a year salary is a pretty significant loss as opposed to a 15% paycut of a 200k/year job
How valuable is it to not have to deal w/ people like losers/scumbags/etc?
Are you over-estimating the appeal of working from home? I.e., being alone and lacking human interaction, having the discipline to not slack off during 'work-time', etc.? -
I worked from home for a very short stretch; when I first started I thought I'd love it, but I got really tired of not seeing anybody else all day, and I frankly found it hard to focus working from home.
Everybody is built differently, so maybe these things wouldn't be a problem for you tho. -
paycut but get in on ground floor of company? or just a paycut lol. if A I say go for it. sounds cool
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Originally Posted by UCBananaboy
Lots of other factors to consider.
i.e., taking a 15% paycut on a 50k a year salary is a pretty significant loss as opposed to a 15% paycut of a 200k/year job
How valuable is it to not have to deal w/ people like losers/scumbags/etc?
Are you over-estimating the appeal of working from home? I.e., being alone and lacking human interaction, having the discipline to not slack off during 'work-time', etc.?
Interesting questions....
I guess not dealing with losers/interoffice politics isnt that big of a deal or advantage lol...
Never worked from home full time before so I could easily be over-estimating the appeal of making the switch. I have worked from home on occassion at my current position and have for the most part been able to focus and get things done, not sure how that would translate to full time however. -
You gotta first figure out exactly what the paycut will be once you factor in all of the savings that offset the paycut because you won't be commuting, etc etc.
Also, have you discussed your growth potential in the new company with the employer?
Are you willing to move out the California if need be?
Once you know all of this, you probably won't need OT but if you have a specific paycut % and a better idea of potential growth, you will get more informed answers.
GL either way! -
Being able to keep a spank rag on your 'desk' is a positive tho.
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Would you be able or want to move somewhere cheaper than NYC immediately to save some money?? Sounds like you don't have alot of expenses anyway so not sure how important this would be, etc.. How much do you value working in an office environment vs. working on your own at home (think you answered that, so this seems like a plus).. If you do not have a significant other though, and are looking for one, going to the office at least gets you out of the home and in contact with women..
As was already mentioned there is a huge difference in losing money if you are just scraping by vs. being able to afford a paycut.. If this is a much better situation for your sanity and can afford the pay-cut would say this quality of life is more important than immediate funds, especially if the experience would help your future resume if things do not work out with the job change.. I would attempt to negotiate for more equity/options if you were going to do this than you currently have as this could be a huge financial boom and if you can afford to live with the pay-cut sounds like a decent opportunity for someone in your situation.. -
If you are working at home and "if" the company gets moving he'd like for you to move to CA? I'd take this oppurtunity and not worry about the social life at 20 years old. You've got plenty of years.
Talk $ amount on pay cut, talk potential move up in company, just look after yourself in the now and in the future. -
Good question, and I'm sort of in the reverse situation. I travel quite a bit for my job, but I'm allowed to telecommute when I'm not on the road. My company asked me if I would be interested in moving to the DC area. I told them that it's an option, but that I would need a significant pay increase to do that since I'm not taking a loss on my disposable income coupled with the inconvenience of going into work every day, just to move up there.
Edited By: BigGunX Oct 11th, 2010 at 06:17 PM
Towards the end of my MBA program, which I finished a few weeks ago, a bunch of us talked about how valuable working from home is. Just as an example, I said that I would hypothetically take a job for $100k if I got to work from home as opposed to a job that paid $120k if I had to go into an office every day, particularly given the fact that I do get to get out and about through all my work travel.
Some of my classmates said that working from home is worth $10k/year, others said $20k/year, and a few even said that it wasn't worth anything at all to them and wouldn't even consider it a perk to be able to work from home.
Like some people said above, it really depends on how much you personally value it, as well as how much you make a year.
Personally, I love working from home. It takes some self-discipline, but I'm way more efficient this way. -
Sounds like your mind is already made up with the way you prefaced the other company by saying it was going to be out of business in a year etc. I would go for it, never know if it could blow up. Just keep focused and get shit done at home.
Also, what do you do at your current company and what would you be doing for the new company? I am a tech recruiter for a nationwide staffing company, pm me if you want to talk about some stuff. -
Working from home doesnt appeal to me. I do it out of necessity on occasion but i wouldnt want it to be my main gig. I like going into the office to do my thing and the work folks although a pain in the ass at times are a form of social network. I like being able to walk away from my work place and come home to a different environment.
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Edited By: ajedrez Oct 11th, 2010 at 06:53 PMWe havent talked specifics on pay rate / equity yet, but I'm assuming I'll have a larger equity stake with the new position due to smaller size/earlier stage of the company and my relationship with one of the founders. Then again, I could be wrong. This is something I need to set up a call about and get squared away immed.Originally Posted by jetsjets1028
You gotta first figure out exactly what the paycut will be once you factor in all of the savings that offset the paycut because you won't be commuting, etc etc.
Also, have you discussed your growth potential in the new company with the employer?
Are you willing to move out the California if need be?
Once you know all of this, you probably won't need OT but if you have a specific paycut % and a better idea of potential growth, you will get more informed answers.
GL either way!
Assuming the opportunity is there, I would be open to moving to California once my lease is up here, maybe even earlier if things start to move fast.
Basically the more I think about it, there isn't too much "stability" in sticking around a failing startup for another year or so anyway. I'm going to have to set up a cal, get some specificsl and give the opportunity a lot of thought.
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i do work from home so wouldnt take any pay cut.
It has more pluses then minuses, so would say at least 10%- prob 20%. Save that on commuting and eating from home anyways. -
I don't think I'd want to work from home every day.* My current job I travel 4 days a week to the client site and on fridays I have the option to work from home or go into the office.* I like this "option" to go into the office, b/c some days it's great to interact with people and some days I know I'd just be more efficient working from home.* Overall, I like having an office to go to, and even if i had my own 1 person company I think I'd still like having an office separate from my home with a short commute...I would take a small pay cut, around 5% or so,*for a cool office environment (ie cool open space office, with lots of free drinks/snacks, no dress code, quick commute / walk from home).
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I think in this situation you describe, you have to first decide whether you really believe in this idea or not.* If you really think it will be successful, you will like your job more and you have a lot more upside potential.* I would definitely take a significant pay cut 25% or more, to*first*truly enjoy*my job and 2nd*get in on the ground floor of a company i really believed could turn into something huge.* I would consider it an investment, not a pay cut. -
Why is the question about a pay cut to work from home when it sounds like the new company/lower pay has much better long term prospects? If that's true and you can afford a short term pay cut for long term benefit, why not do it?
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I worked in an office environment for 3 yrs. Then I traveled for 7 yrs, out on Monday's and in on Friday's. I've been working from home for the last 3yrs now, 100% of the time. I can say out of all those different environments, working from home has been the best. The only thing I miss is the social aspect of working in an office. The traveling ..bleh ..got old.
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I would need a pay increase to work at home...
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I have been working from home for the last 10 months now. There is really only one down side so far, and thats no interaction with work people. The guy/buddy I kind of work for. Only calls if there is a problem or if I can pick up the slack of the others doing the same work I do. So 99% of my time the only people I talk to or see are my wife and kids.
I find I work alot more efficient from home even with the kids and the wife around. Other upsides are its pretty much your own schedule. If I want to dick off during a nice day and go golfing or take the kids out I do. As long as i meet the work order deadlines i am gold.
So I guess it comes down to, do you mind spending alot of time alone? OR do you need people around. Are you self motivated ,or is that having to show up at work at 8 every morning a good thing for you?
Of course in your situation it sounds like you have a good chance to get in the ground floor of a company. That Would be more of the reason I take the pay cut instead of working from home part.
As for me, I love working from home 10000x better then from an office, Alot less hot chicks at home tho. -
the only issue i ever see from working at home (online that is ) is motivation and commitment. i can put off work stuff when i feel like it. if i need to poop and feel like reading the paper i could do it,instead of a shit-n-git. also time just completely is lost for me after a few weeks. after a while i won't leave the house unless it is absolutely necessary. what i think i am trying to say is the mentality can become "fuck this, i don't feel like doing this right now. i wish i was at the strip club." and off you go to spend the next day in agony from the free chili cheese fries,cheap beer and broke.once again getting nothing done.
my vote is to totally go for it! i am serious on all points btw. -
been working from home 100% for about 5 years now......I would have to say this is pure personal preference. I choose to work at home for a few reasons, I have authority issues(always feel like I can do better than my boss), I like making my own schedule, I like that I don't have a ceiling for how much I earn.....its dependent on me, I trust myself implicitly to stay on task, don't like using my brilliant mind for someone elses gain, I enjoy not having to deal with people in work situations and instead enjoy only dealing with people in leisure situations outside of work.
for me, the reasons I stated above are enough to take a 20-25% pay cut to achieve, after you figure out what your reasons would hold weight for you working at home then give them a value, how much they mean to you, if their overall value doesn't equate to your pay cut, then fuck it, if so then adjust and get ready to enjoy your life more. -
Adjust to the term...."out of sight and out of mind".
Seriously, very few are cut out to be truly effective and work 100% from home. It sounds like a dream but honestly it is not.
FAIL attempted brag, lol. -
if you can get some equity in the company...at least a small piece, it could pay of big.
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If your current job is likely going to be no more in a year anyway I don't see how you can pass this up. Plus your hours will be more flexible, you'll be able to get shit done around the house during down time, you'll save a stupid amount of money on gas and food, and you'll be moving to work with real people soon anyway so the isolation problem will only be temporary anyway.
Also, you never have to wear pants.
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