So your willing to do anything as long as it doesnt involve raising YOUR taxes...(which as i understand it wont.. You said u dont make a million a year)

So you really dont want health reform you want no change to satus quo...

What where your feelings when Bush kept BORROWING money against deficit to give top 2% a huge tax cut? How did that benefit everyone? Oh yeah i forgot cue talking points "trickle down ahh job creation ahhhh captilism...ahhhh regan..ahhhhhhhhh USA USA"

 

Originally Posted by wmariner

So your willing to do anything as long as it doesnt involve raising YOUR taxes...(which as i understand it wont.. You said u dont make a million a year)

So you really dont want health reform you want no change to satus quo...

What where your feelings when Bush kept BORROWING money against deficit to give top 2% a huge tax cut? How did that benefit everyone? Oh yeah i forgot cue talking points "trickle down ahh job creation ahhhh captilism...ahhhh regan..ahhhhhhhhh USA USA"

it calls for raising taxes on families with a combined income of 350K (I quoted 280k before and was wrong with that number)........ So yes, it will effect me.

 

Originally Posted by skisteve

 

Originally Posted by Artiecat

 

Originally Posted by wmariner

Ive never heard anything bout making it mandatory to switch to govt. plans..

Is that a talking point u heard on faux news??

And i dont care bout increasing taxes on people making more than a million... the tax rate they are purposing is basically a reverse of most bushes irrational tax cuts...and is nowhere close to going back where Regan put them...

Also please stop sporting all your E-credentals nobody cares even if it is true...

How will private insurance carriers be able to fairly compete against a subsidized government run "public option" insurance plan?

Why would private companies and corporations continue to offer health insurance to their employees?

Has the light bulb in your head illuminated yet?

Spot on artie, this just doesn't occur to most people. What they leave out: "Suuuuuuuure you can keep your plan (but why would you because we will drive those plans into extinction when we offer this.)" btw I agree with utter we need changes and also want a flat tax. Basically make certain tax shelters like Roth iras, sure you can hide money after you pay taxes on it first. (I have no other solution there and it's obv more complicated. I just didn't think using pathetic walmart as a good example of anything was the right angle. There's plenty of real good companies like safeway whose costs have been dropping over the years through promoting employee health in ways that work and have healthier employees as a result.

fair enough........ there are plenty of other companies (as you stated) that I could have used as a beter example of my point

Your right i would not of liked him.. On bright side he was beginning of the downfall for republicans (with the help of his daddy nixon)... Now we just need a few more Partys..

If Medicaid and Medicare worked, we wouldn't need a lot of this reform

 

Originally Posted by utterczar

 

Originally Posted by above_films

 

Originally Posted by utterczar

 

Originally Posted by above_films

 

Originally Posted by Quartersack

How can any half-way educated person support this reform? And thats a serious question.

Why should someone who has worked their ass off their entire life, to get where they are financially, be forced to pay higher taxes to cover medical expenses for people who sit at home on their own ass all day? This just makes zero sense to me and I would love to hear opinions on this from someone who supports this reform (overhaul).

Sure there are some people, who due to extenuating circumstances, are unable to afford insurance/medical bills/checkups etc. But the majority are lazy, worthless, government-leeching individuals who walk around with their hand out all day.

actually, an argument can be made that a financially independent person got to that position by taking advantage of the working man/women through the implementation of paying workers extremely low wages and zero job benefits. considering that 45 million people don't have health care, and those WITH health care are at the mercy of insurance companies who can decide to not cover procedures as they see fit and leave customers holding the bag, the bill really has to pass.

medical bills are the #1 factor that forces americans into bankruptcy. and the current system will bankrupt medicare/medicaid within 25 years so something MUST be done. this is the best option, imo.

are you serious? I know car dealers like Sewell in Dallas and Larry H Miller (rip) in Utah who not only pay for their employees insurance, they also pay for the famalies of their employees AND above and beyond that, they both offer scholarships programs for employees children. Sam Walton of Walmart was well known for taking care of his employees. I find your comments highly insulting, to those of us who do pay for insurance for our employees, and incredibly ignorant

first, walmart does NOT cover their workers health benefits. they actually suggest to workers to utilize public assistance when in need of health care. truly sad. and because you know of one employer that has a decent health care plan for its workers, you believe all do? not only is that extremely naive and shortsighted, but almost laughable in an infantile way. the working poor don't have a chance at health care, though many have 2 or 3 jobs at which they work.

and those who are losing their jobs are also losing their health care. the problem with people like you is that your thought process stops at your needs. yet you would be among the first asking for assistance if it was needed. the reason why america has a history of being a great nation is because its citizens reached out for one another during times of need. but today? that way of thinking is gone, and likely never to return. thankfully, america has a president like obama to stand strong and speak for those who aren't wealthy enough to buy their way into influence.

why dont you try reasearching things before you post them in this thread....... Do you just spew info out your ass and think people will just believe you. It took all of 5 seconds to pull up the Walmart benefits. Why dont you try offering something beneficial to the arguement, instead of your made up lies.

this is from Walmart.com... Benefits:

http://walmartstores.com/Careers/7750.aspx

Wal-Mart�s success is the direct result of the dedication of our associates, and we reward their hard work with benefits that work for them. Our benefits include more than medical coverage and a competitive pay package: we offer associates retirement savings plans, pharmacy benefits, the opportunity to share in bonuses and valuable discounts at our stores. Take a moment to explore the many benefits that a position with Wal-Mart affords.
<H4>Medical Coverage</H4>
Every associate who works in the United States can become eligible for individual health coverage costing as little as $5 per month in some areas and as little as $8 per month nationwide. As soon as an associate becomes eligible for benefits, their children become eligible too.

Today, more than 92 percent of associates have health insurance�either through us or through other coverage. For our associates who choose coverage with Wal-Mart, we also offer more than 2,400 generic prescription drugs for $4. This includes prescription drugs to treat everything from diabetes to heart disease.

Wal-Mart associates will find more than 50 ways to customize their health coverage. They can select from a menu of deductibles, health care coverage options, and health credits and premiums.

We want associates and their families to have the peace of mind that their healthcare needs will be met, especially when they need it most. To ensure that peace of mind, Wal-Mart�s health coverage includes no lifetime maximums on most health care expenses.

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your ingorance continues to shine here:

and those who are losing their jobs are also losing their health care. the problem with people like you is that your thought process stops at your needs.

Your reading comprehension is as bad as your fantasy about Walmart. I never once said I was not in favor of some sort of reform. I also pointed out how much money, time and energy I have devoted to charitable causes in the past and continue to do this day.

The whole point of this thread, which I am sure you didn't read based on your fictitious statements about Walmart, is that I DO NOT FEEL MY TAXES should be raised to cover the cost of this program. Now unless fitness trainers make a lot more money than I am aware of, this bill will never effect your tax liability, unless you change professions, so it's easy for you to point to people like me and say I don't care about people etc...... As I have stated before, I have over 200 employees and they ALL have health care from the company. I donate and am invovled with numerous fund raisers and charitable events in my community.

What do you do for people?

Do you provide insurance for people or employees?

How much money and time do you donate annually to "help other people"

You seem to be someone who expects everyone else to shoulder their burden. You make false statements and You wrongly accuse people of things.

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let's continue to disect your post:

thankfully, america has a president like obama to stand strong and speak for those who aren't wealthy enough to buy their way into influence.

WOW! you really belive Obama didn't buy his way into office? The fact that the UAW got 17% of GM and the bond holders only recieved 10%, when the bondholders amount due was 3 times that of the UAW should speak volumes to refuting your statement. This is probably over your head, but I'll continue.... Under the new Health Care plan the Federal Government and the Unions will not be subject to the same health care as you and I... Gee, I wonder why..... The UAW is the single biggest contributor to the Democraric party and you tell me who is buying influence?

how idiotic can you be? the only thing you've proven is that you're an expert at the copy/paste option. then again, i shouldn't be surprised at the lack of intellect of someone who quotes walmart instead of talking to those who actually works there. all of your info is incorrect, but your conservative gop tail is definitely showing so an intelligent debate wouldn't work with you. be on your way.

 

Originally Posted by Echelon

why do you feel the need to comment on every god damn obama post thats on the 3rd page? so we can see it again? GTFO

and take this with ya..

because i enjoy political threads on this board. now that your question has been asked, thanks for that pic. must be difficult to know that most women prefer that fallace of the president to yours.