y are you uncomfortable if she stays there over night? gay = pedo now? not like they are fucking in front of the kid. tell me you wouldnt be appalled if a straight couple did the same thing?

and no shit your born gay, just how racism is taught.

and finally if i had wheels, id be a bus.

edit: to answer your question theyre both grandpa. anything else will just confuse her.

I believe the more time she spends in an environment with two gay adults, the more she will be influenced to think that behavior/sexual orientation is OK...and that's not something she should be influenced with one way or the other IMO. I would not/do not want morality being taught to my daughter by them. (A lot of that has to do with what I've seen in my ex-wife, and I shudder to think my daughter would hold some of the same beliefs and carry the same attitude as she does )

Grandpa Mike and Grandpa Gary? Call one Grandpa, and one Grandad? How do kids normally differentiate between their two grandparents of the same sex anyway?

Why are you unconfortable with her staying by herself with them, especially overnight?

Do you think they were born straight, but decided to turn gay when they became middle aged? Some strong external influences there it seems. Or, perhaps they were born gay, but because of societal pressure (especially back in those days) they led 'normal' straight lives because they felt pressured into doing so. Or even maybe they were born bisexual (with a stronger tendancy towards homosexual), meaning it felt easyish to lead a straight life, which, let's face it, would have led to far less persecution as compared to their actual preference.

 

Originally Posted by OneM24

I believe the more time she spends in an environment with two gay adults, the more she will be influenced to think that behavior/sexual orientation is OK

What behaviours precisely - dirty, immoral man-sex, right? And yes, ftr homosexual orientation/behaviour IS ok.

 

Originally Posted by OneM24

and that's not something she should be influenced with one way or the other IMO.

So by the same token, you wouldn't want a straight couple looking after her overnight?

 

Originally Posted by OneM24

I would not/do not want morality being taught to my daughter by them. (A lot of that has to do with what I've seen in my ex-wife, and I shudder to think my daughter would hold some of the same beliefs and carry the same attitude as she does )

I'm guessing your ex-wife has some dubious morals; fair enough. Do you think then that Gary and Mike share the same negative morals?

 

Originally Posted by HK_MP5N

There is nothing wrong with OneM not wanting his daughter around any type of situation or environment that revovles around things he would not care for her to witness.

This.

As a parent, I have a right to decide what I do and do not want my daughter to be around. I have an obligation to ensure she is being raised properly, and in an environment which will help define what she believes to be acceptable behavior.

To answer a question posed, yes I do feel as if Gary and Mike influenced Hayley's decisions before, during, and after we were married. I'm not going to get into specifics, but I will say the things believed to be perfectly ok behavior for and by them, are NOT ok for me and I do not want my daughter acting that way. Some of those things include being selfish, immoral, and unethical.

 

Originally Posted by DJam21

I don't think many people are going to argue that you have the right to decide how your daughter is raised. What is being questioned are the reasonings behind it.

Yes, these are bad traits. Are you suggesting they're linked to homosexuality?

Not necessarily so, but they could be additional traits he has witnessed in them besides the homosexual behaviors.

 

Originally Posted by OneM24

I believe the more time she spends in an environment with two gay adults, the more she will be influenced to think that behavior/sexual orientation is OK...and that's not something she should be influenced with one way or the other IMO.

I'm not a fan of that statement because I don't think there is anything inherently wrong with people being homosexual. I understand you would prefer to educate your child about sex on your own terms but that's really unrealistic. Maybe you don't want your daughter to grow up with an open mind and would prefer her to think homosexuality is a sin. As a father you have those rights but the mother has rights as well and as long as she isn't putting your daughter at actual harm than you are going to have to come to compromise.

This thread is heading straight towards shitland.

OneM, if science proved that being gay wasn't a choice, what would you say? Claim ignorance?

So what happens if your daughter grows up and realizes she prefers women? Was it the gay grandparents fault? Your fault? and Will you disown her?

Your daughter can't have an open mind about human sexuality?

Wow. That's very sad.

 

Originally Posted by OneM24

My daughter can, should, will, and does have an open mind about many things. Human sexuality is not one of them.

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many children have two grandfathers in their lives - i would assume she would differentiate between them the same way most families deal with this - by calling them two different things - in our household, for instance, my dad is "Grandpa" and the hubby's dad is "Pops"

i understand that you have reservations about having your daughter spend time with her homosexual grandparents, but you do need to realize that the child's mother also has some say in how her daughter is raised - if you don't like that she is exposed to lifestyles that you don't approve of, you're free to teach her your views on morality, but to deny her the relationship or contact with her mother's parents is wrong

you know i <3 you, onem, but i will never understand ppl who truly believe that homosexuality is a choice - for some, maybe it is these days - but who would choose to be ostracized and discriminated against the way gays have been and continue to be? who would choose to be treated as a second-class citizen?*

to state that homosexuality is unnatural seems absurd when you take a look at nature - it's really not all that uncommon - we are animals, after all

 

Originally Posted by OneM24

I would say those people looking for a reason for science to prove being gay isn't a choice, are tailoring results from their "scientific research" to fit what they want to find, and not what is necessarily true. How many times has something been deemed as fact in the name of "science", and has later been disproven? No, this is one of those things where you can submit so called evidence for both arguments and each may have valid points. That said, any argument claiming genetic link to being homosexual is not logical and I will not entertain it...regardless of whatever "evidence" is submitted.

what? so you'll just cover your ears and start singing something very loud? btw, do you also still think that the earth is flat?

I think you guys should call them Tranma and Tranpa

I realize her mother has some say, but just because she has some say does not mean I have to agree with what she is saying. I really have no desire for her to not have a relationship with her grandpa, but it's a catch 22 for me. My views on morality will be very well known to her as she grows older.

 

Originally Posted by pigalet42

but who would choose to be ostracized and discriminated against the way gays have been and continue to be? who would choose to be treated as a second-class citizen?

The craving of attention is a powerful thing. Also, men and women who are abused as children often shy away from the sex that abused them as they get older. This could also be a contributing circumstance. It's only one argument, but you get my point. I know many kids that "acted" gay (especially females) while in high school, just to get the attention. Sometimes people don't care that it's negative attention, it's the fact that they are getting it at all that matters to them.