I'm done playing devils advocate. I will explain the American political system instead.

In order to get elected to office in the U.S.A you have to lie. You have to pander to your base. Hell if you are Rick Santorum you change your beliefs on abortion on a day to day basis depending on how far right the group you are pandering to is. Obama said he was going to end the war in Iraq and Republicans say they are for small government. Both are liars and yet people just keep voting for the same lying fucks.

Rome is the mob and the mob is stupid.

Still drunk will be more eloquent tomorrow.

 

Originally Posted by EyeKnows

or he couldn't do what he promised and didn't know it at the time he "promised".

I don't want ignorant presidents either. He would have had to have been willfully ignorant to not know.

 

Obama held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs through December 2006. In January 2007, he left the Environment and Public Works committee and took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs. He also became Chairman of the Senate's subcommittee on European Affairs. As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa. He met with Mahmoud Abbas before Abbas became President of the Palestinian Authority, and gave a speech at the University of Nairobi condemning corruption within the Kenyan government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

I don't want ignorant presidents either. He would have had to have been willfully ignorant to not know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

I'm really disappointed with this. Do you honestly think that these credentials make him an expert on forecasting the end of a war? I mean whatever, I have no dreams of you leaving your black and white universe, but really! you cant conceed that politicans, CEO's, Bankers, Bakers, home owners, and presidents set goals and timelines basedon what they believe is possible and then stretch to meet those goals and reformulate if they are not met.

Christ! you are they guy that always plays the skeptic, retreats to uncertainty, and claims insufficient evidence and NOW you are going to to call Obama willfully ignorant for making a forecast and not hitting it on the bullseye. I mean come on, what a crock of BS.

If you want to say he shouldn't have forecasted because he didn't have enough info, i'd support that. If you wanted to say, forecasts for war mean fuck all, i'd agree with that. If you wanted to say that his forecast was driven by a need to satiate the electorate then again we would find ourselves in agreement. but willfully ignorant!!! I seriously doubt it, after all what facts for ending this conflict would really relevant. People have boatloads more data about other less complicated events and they still can't predict to your required level of precision.

 

Originally Posted by rayspizza

I'm really disappointed with this. Do you honestly think that these credentials make him an expert on forecasting the end of a war? I mean whatever, I have no dreams of you leaving your black and white universe, but really! you cant conceed that politicans, CEO's, Bankers, Bakers, home owners, and presidents set goals and timelines basedon what they believe is possible and then stretch to meet those goals and reformulate if they are not met.

Christ! you are they guy that always plays the skeptic, retreats to uncertainty, and claims insufficient evidence and NOW you are going to to call Obama willfully ignorant for making a forecast and not hitting it on the bullseye. I mean come on, what a crock of BS.

If you want to say he shouldn't have forecasted because he didn't have enough info, i'd support that. If you wanted to say, forecasts for war mean fuck all, i'd agree with that. If you wanted to say that his forecast was driven by a need to satiate the electorate then again we would find ourselves in agreement. but willfully ignorant!!! I seriously doubt it, after all what facts for ending this conflict would really relevant. People have boatloads more data about other less complicated events and they still can't predict to your required level of precision.

When Ron Paul is asked how he would end the wars he says "We marched right in we can march right out." Do you think he is lying or wouldn't go through with such a promise?

 

Originally Posted by saxman

question - if you are president and have specific ideas in mind (and possibly even made promises based on those ideas), do you just veto every single thing that comes across your desk if it does not 100% meet with your ideals, or do you accept the fact that you need to compromise to get certain things through?

Thinking in terms of RP, i don't know how he could possibly be effective as a president based on his ideals. Nothing would ever get done. Or am i wrong?

"Nothing being done" would be progress...

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

"Nothing being done" would be progress...

based on this, if RP was ever elected based on his promises to eliminate the fed, return the USA to the gold standard, eliminate FEMA, remove all troops from foreign soil, etc, would he be a liar if he did not succeed in achieving those promises during his term?

fair enough - i wasn't sure how much he could actually do on his own

WHAT A LIAR!!!!

fucking gas jumped up 19 cents today, 30 cents in last week

 

Originally Posted by Willywoo

you know the majority of the stock is owned by funds, which in turn fund retirements for millions of blue collar Americans? I know that gas is high and is fucking up the economy but at least people are retiring off of it.

All I know is that me and my wife make over 100 k a year combined and we are struggling to make it.

 

Originally Posted by whitechoclate

All I know is that me and my wife make over 100 k a year combined and we are struggling to make it.

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

You should probably re-evaluate your spending habits then

you obv don't have student loan debt or a mortgage.

enjoy 10 cent beers in asia (obv, jelly - i read your shit with envy. props to ya for living life on your terms). but for those of us with school loans and jobs. 100k is gon fast.

for instance - i spend 6 dollars a day in tolls to go to fucking work. how fucking retarded is that?

my day starts with someone leeching off my ass.

 

Originally Posted by whitechoclate

Mortgage,student loans, car notes, bills, gas, groceries, and 4 children equals broke.

He is just wants acknowledgement for living on $0.5/day in china

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

When Ron Paul is asked how he would end the wars he says "We marched right in we can march right out." Do you think he is lying or wouldn't go through with such a promise?

I don't think it is a promise. I think he is referring to his ideal as a president. It gives me insight into how I can expect him to govern, but it doesn't tell me what will happen or what he will do when faced with new info or different circumstance.

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

firstworldproblems.jpg

someone hijack your account today?

are we supposed to just sit and take it until we are third world?

or, are we allowed to do something about it and bitch on an obscure internet forum?

 

Originally Posted by TrafficKing

Someone plz tell me y this thread was bumped after 5 days

Cause some guy was complaining he was broke with student loans and bills, yet didn't have the common sense not to have 4 offspring?

 

Originally Posted by Geoff Moore

I don't blame Iran. If China wanted to impose sanctions on us we would fuck shit up too.

An interesting article on why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. Basically it talks about the US sanctions imposed on Japan.
http://www.pearlharbor.org/history-of-pearl-harbor.asp

I don't know, can we let Iran have nukes? If they obtain them their influence in the Middle East would grow exponentially and they would become a much more disruptive force than they are now. I hate oil.