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  1. So my 11 year old daughter (no pics ever will be posted so save your breath) was over at a friends house a couple of weeks ago and they had the bright idea to wash her friends dad's car (an 03? Chrysler Concorde). Being 11, they couldn't quite reach the top of the car so they naturally laid on top to clean it. Obviously the top of the car now shows some warping due to it. After it happened, me and the the girls father agreed to split the damages 50/50 even though I thought it was stupid to fix it because the damage wasn't that bad.

    Fast forward to last week, turns out the damage will cost about $1600 to fix. So the father figured the best move would be to go through his insurance and we would split the deductible. I reluctantly (obviously I still think its stupid to fix) agreed and paid the $250 to him this past Monday. Well the dipshit calls me today and says that his insurance company will go after my insurance company for my portion of the damages and that I will get my money order for $250 back because his insurance company claims I shouldn't have to pay anything, just my insurance company will have to pay.

    My question is how do I handle it from here? Call my insurance agent? Tell him to fuck off and lie that we ever had anything to do with it (really don't want to set this example for my daughter, which was the whole reason I agreed to pay my half in the first place teaching her personal responsibilty)? Do nothing and see what happens?

    Whatcha got for me OT, I'm lost at the best course of action. Thanks for your help!
  2. Verbal contract. Fuck him.

    Also . . . first.
    Edited By: Milo Jan 11th, 2012 at 11:46 PM
  3. Fucking people, that sucks. Can't lie now, they already know. Will probably just have to eat it now and you should definitely call your insurance agent. They are going to find out anyway.
  4.  
    Originally Posted by kiro15 View Post

    Fucking people, that sucks. Can't lie now, they already know. Will probably just have to eat it now and you should definitely call your insurance agent. They are going to find out anyway.

    Does someone's auto insurance cover them if their child does damage to someone else's car?
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  5. Her daughter was involved. It could have been her fucking idea. They were under HIS supervision because it took place at HIS house.

    Why the hell do you feel responsible in this? I'm confused. I am not paying him a damn dime since they should have been under his supervision.
  6. You paying anything is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Why would you agree to pay half? Personal responsibility? This guy had two 11 year olds at his house unsupervised washing a car and it got damaged. Pretty sure he is responsible.
  7. Serious answer would be to question why this is going through car insurance when the vehicle was parked in his driveway, and not "damaged" by a licensed driver. House insurance, imo.
  8. lol. Looks like a law school exam question.

    For starters, your neighbor probably has an exclusion for damage caused by his own family members. So to the extent his daughter caused or was responsible for the conduct, his insurance company will deny the claim. If he has comprehensive on an 03 Concorde something is wrong. But if he does then it will probably pay the cost of repairs over the deductible regardless of who caused the damages.

    After his company pays it may come after you or your daughter for the portion of the damages caused by your daughter. You only have to involve your homeowners insurance company (not auto, but homeowners) if you want to. Do not give him your insurance info until you know what you want to do.

    The most troubling issue here is that everyone seems to assume that since the girls caused the damage, they are legally responsible or worse yet, that you are legally responsible. Was your daughter negligent some how? I find that hard to believe. She's 11, she probably had no idea she would damage the roof by laying on it. How was her conduct unreasonable?

    Where was the parental supervision while they were at the neighbors house? My response would probably be something along the lines of hey they are 11 years old why wasn't someone watching them?

    I would tell the guy to go pound sand, unless of course you want to remain friendly with this asshole. I doubt they ever get a penny from you.

    This is not legal advice. Pay a couple hundred bucks to see a lawyer in your town. Or talk with your homeowners (not your auto) insurance company and explain it to them and I bet they tell you that there is no way they will collect anything from you or your insurance company.

    Good Luck. I am sure I missed some things too.

    His auto insurance. Your homeowners.
    Edited By: Willywoo Jan 12th, 2012 at 12:06 AM
    Reason: Tell the asshole he owes your daughter $20 plus tip for the wash.
  9. I paid because my daughter said that they both were on the car so technically both are responsible. Trust me, I wish I would have said fuck off now but thats over. Just want to know how this will play out or if anyone has had a similar experience. I realize much of OT is younger and don't have older children but my daughter can't be the only one who has done something dumb on someone elses property.

    And according to dumbass, my home owners insurance is liable, not auto insurance, and the same goes for his insurance. I'm so fucking pissed that I have this added hassle. I didn't enjoy paying the 250 but again, damage was done and my daughter was involved so I was doing what was morally and ethically correct IMO. I obviously view things differently than others.

    willy- I think he tried to claim it as auto damage, but his insurance company said it falls under homeowners because the vehicle was at his property but not in motion. He has full coverage I believe because he only has owned the car since July and I assume he is making payments which means he must have full coverage in Kansas

     
    Originally Posted by Milo View Post

    Serious answer would be to question why this is going through car insurance when the vehicle was parked in his driveway, and not "damaged" by a licensed driver. House insurance, imo.

    I was typing a reply to willy that has addressed this, He tried to go through auto, his insurance company said it is home which it obviously is
    Edited By: undertheradar Jan 12th, 2012 at 12:06 AM
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  10. send him a bill for your daughter's fees for washing the car.

    why would u ever get the roof on an '03 car fixed?
     
  11.  
    Originally Posted by AmSlim22 View Post

    send him a bill for your daughter's fees for washing the car.

    why would u ever get the roof on an '03 car fixed?

    haha I should and that was my thought when I saw the "damage" and the car it was done to
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  12.  
    Originally Posted by AmSlim22 View Post

    send him a bill for your daughter's fees for washing the car.

    why would u ever get the roof on an '03 car fixed?

    Agreed. wtf is going on?

    I'd blame yourself for letting your daughter associate herself with such maroons.
  13.  
    Originally Posted by DoubleUp28 View Post

    Agreed. wtf is going on?

    I'd blame yourself for letting your daughter associate herself with such maroons.

    Don't worry I blame myself. This is such a dumb fucking problem to have
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  14.  
    Originally Posted by DoubleUp28 View Post


    I'd blame yourself for letting your daughter associate herself with such maroons.

    Never associate with maroons.

    Edited By: Willywoo Jan 12th, 2012 at 12:14 AM
  15. Oh and it could be newer than 03, I really don't know or care. It wasn't so damaged as to really affect the aesthetics of how the car looked. It just gave it a slightly warped look on the roof
    Edited By: undertheradar Jan 12th, 2012 at 12:12 AM
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  16.  
    Originally Posted by undertheradar View Post

    willy- I think he tried to claim it as auto damage, but his insurance company said it falls under homeowners because the vehicle was at his property but not in motion. He has full coverage I believe because he only has owned the car since July and I assume he is making payments which means he must have full coverage in Kansas

    I think his auto insurance is passing the buck. Is his homeowners going to cover it? If he's making payments on a 2003 Concorde he probably needs your money pretty bad. Just wait. After you pay he will keep the money and not fix the car. imo
  17. Now that I think about it a buddy of mine had a garage door fuck up the hood of his car and it was only $1,200 damage.

    Is your daughter or her friend an overweight maroon?

  18. his homeowners/auto insurance are through the same company just like mine is. But not the same company. And yes, from what he said, his homeowners will pay his half, but that my homeowners insurance needs to pay the other half

     
    Originally Posted by DoubleUp28 View Post

    Now that I think about it a buddy of mine had a garage door fuck up the hood of his car and it was only $1,200 damage.

    Is your daughter or her friend an overweight maroon?

    haha no, both are 90lbs dripping wet tops!
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  19.  
    Originally Posted by rocket5 View Post

    You paying anything is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Why would you agree to pay half? Personal responsibility? This guy had two 11 year olds at his house unsupervised washing a car and it got damaged. Pretty sure he is responsible.

    this is the correct answer^^^ Call cps on the bastard for not knowing what his daughter is up to.
  20. Don't pay anything and do not call you insurance company (call your agent if you have one). If you even call your insurance company to inquire it might be counted against at your renewal as a "0 pay out claim'.

    His home owners insurance should pay out and then go after you/your insurance company if they deem you liable (which I doubt is the case). I would not give him any information.


    By the way he is an idiot for filing such a small claim with his insurance. His premium will probably double and cost him much more then the repair cost over the next 3 years.

    Anyway this is strictly a non professional opinion. Tell that ass clown to piss off.
  21. Your homeowners is not going to pay for damage at somebody elses house. This might be a good thing. Agree to let the insurance companies handle it. Your company is going to say its entirely his responsibilty given the situation. You are done.
  22. 1 Blue book is under 4k for that piece of shit. Wtf
    2 how is an 11 year old too short to reach the roof of a sedan?
  23.  
    Originally Posted by Willywoo View Post

    I think his auto insurance is passing the buck. Is his homeowners going to cover it? If he's making payments on a 2003 Concorde he probably needs your money pretty bad. Just wait. After you pay he will keep the money and not fix the car. imo

    Everything Willywoo said +1000

    Sounds very shady that this guy is pursuing this. You/your daughter are pretty much not liable at all in this situation so you could have escaped this problem without paying a dime.

    But if you feel like morally you did the right thing then thats fine. Its pretty much all up to you. If you committed to splitting the damaged and its not a big deal then I would, but you should really make sure this guy gets everything fixed up and doesnt pocket this money. Unfortunately I have seen it done before.
  24. In my opinion you are morally obligated to help pay for damage caused by your daughter. Whether or not it was an accident is irrelevant.

    I would be surprised if you couldn't go inside the car and push up on the interior of the roof and fix a pressure dent. I have fixed similar with an old style toilet plunger after hitting a deer. got the plunger wet, squished it over the dent and pulled out the metal. Looked like new.
  25.  
    Originally Posted by undertheradar View Post

    his homeowners/auto insurance are through the same company just like mine is. But not the same company. And yes, from what he said, his homeowners will pay his half, but that my homeowners insurance needs to pay the other half

    haha no, both are 90lbs dripping wet tops!

    pics of dripping wet tops
     
  26. Getting this fixed doesn't make sense. The value of the vehicle is prob about $3600 if the car is in excellent condition vs. $3400 with minor cosmetic (still mechanically sound), so fixing it will not increase by more than a hundred dollars as a result. I would recommend doing the best you can yourselves to pop the dent out. You have not cost the guy much and no way he gets this fixed.
  27. Here's another thought. The neighbors insurance may cover the cost of repair because that's what the contract says it covers, but any liability your daughter might have could be only for the difference in value of the car before and after the damage, which would be less than the cost of repair on this car.
  28.  
    Originally Posted by DrinkingProblem View Post

    Don't pay anything and do not call you insurance company (call your agent if you have one). If you even call your insurance company to inquire it might be counted against at your renewal as a "0 pay out claim'.

    His home owners insurance should pay out and then go after you/your insurance company if they deem you liable (which I doubt is the case). I would not give him any information.

    By the way he is an idiot for filing such a small claim with his insurance. His premium will probably double and cost him much more then the repair cost over the next 3 years.

    Anyway this is strictly a non professional opinion. Tell that ass clown to piss off.

    once he gives me back the money order, this will most likely be my course of action at this point.
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  29. So you just want to keep the threads contained and discuss whether or not your daughter should visit a girl's house whose dad is a con artist?
  30.  
    Originally Posted by rocket5 View Post

    So you just want to keep the threads contained and discuss whether or not your daughter should visit a girl's house whose dad is a con artist?

    Well I'm pretty sure once he asks me for some info and I refuse that will take care of said friendship between my daughter and the girl. Which is unfortunate but I'm sure they will still talk, just not hang out anymore after school. Life lesson I suppose
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