Intellectual Property Rights????

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  1. LDM LDM is offline

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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 4:02pm)

    copyrights are something I'm a moron about. I can't even decide what I think about them.

    I despise the use of government force, but I also believe people are entitled to the fruits of their labor.

    anyone ever get philosophical on intellectual property rights?
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 4:03pm) in reply to LDM

    I did my senior undergrad thesis on intellectual property rights. If you want to know more read some Lawrence Lessig. he has a TED video out as well also.
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 4:06pm) in reply to LDM

    Was gonna hire this guy to handle a painting division of my company. He wanted me to sign a paper saying in the event he was fired that I couldn't use marketing plans he came up with.

    "my intellectual property" told him to GTFO.
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 4:09pm) in reply to Seykota

    This movie was good on Hulu, but i'm torn on it aswell.

    Rip! A Remix Manisfesto

    http://www.hulu.com/watch/88782/rip-a-remix-manifesto
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 4:10pm) in reply to SILKY JOHNSON

    So, you told him to gtfo because he wanted to protect himself?

    Seems intellectual.
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 4:10pm) in reply to SILKY JOHNSON

    what about if you sent an idea for Lost to ABC and they turned it down, but did an episode with your idea.
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 4:44pm) in reply to LDM

    http://www.dklevine.com/general/inte...ainstfinal.htm

    http://mises.org/journals/jls/15_2/15_2_1.pdf

    Here are two works that address IP from an anti-IP perspective. They're well worth reading through if you're interested in the topic.

    Personally, at least at present, I think that property rights should only apply to tangible things. If you apply property rights to intangible things like ideas, chemical formulas, specific organizations of letters or sounds (songs/books), ie. the "recipe", an artificial scarcity is introduced, resulting in fewer people being able to enjoy (and at a lower cost--in fact in many cases the marginal cost of the thing may be almost zero) the idea/song/book, etc. IP results in a dimunition in human welfare by almost any measure.
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 4:47pm) in reply to oBOBCATu

    i'm a physical therapist. free healthcare only works if those of us working are willing to give up our intellectual property
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 5:56pm) in reply to LDM

    i studied intellectual property rights quite a bit but i do not understand your question
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 5:59pm) in reply to Etrain99

    One of my professors told a chinese exchange student she couldnt use a recorder on his lectures because its his intellectual property.
    Kinda ridiculous imo
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 7:24pm) in reply to Niceguy

     
    Originally Posted by Niceguy View Post

    So, you told him to gtfo because he wanted to protect himself?

    Seems intellectual.

    No, he told him to GTFO because the guy was an idiot. If he is employed by me, and one of his jobs is to come up with marketing ideas for my company, those ideas become, de facto, my property as that is what I am paying him for. If he would like to be an independent contractor, with all the risks that entails, then a different arrangement can be made, otherwise no.

    Oh, and in the age of the internet, the idea of "Intellectual Property" is becoming increasingly tenuous . . . and in 20 years max. will be irrelevant.
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 7:28pm) in reply to Milo

     
    Originally Posted by Milo View Post


     
    Originally Posted by Niceguy View Post

    So, you told him to gtfo because he wanted to protect himself?

    Seems intellectual.

    No, he told him to GTFO because the guy was an idiot. If he is employed by me, and one of his jobs is to come up with marketing ideas for my company, those ideas become, de facto, my property as that is what I am paying him for. If he would like to be an independent contractor, with all the risks that entails, then a different arrangement can be made, otherwise no.

    Oh, and in the age of the internet, the idea of "Intellectual Property" is becoming increasingly tenuous . . . and in 20 years max. will be irrelevant.

    Oh man, thanx for typing that! I started but just said fuck it, waste of time.
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 7:40pm) in reply to SILKY JOHNSON

    No problem . . .

    But don't ever quote it again, as it is my IP.
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 8:04pm) in reply to Milo

     
    Originally Posted by Milo View Post

    Oh, and in the age of the internet, the idea of "Intellectual Property" is becoming increasingly tenuous . . . and in 20 years max. will be irrelevant.

    Not so, the paid professionals of this field (IP attorneys) and such will adapt and change as the subject matter does. It certainly is going to add many wrinkles to IP insurance polices and how they are written.
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 8:21pm) in reply to LDM

    I'm for them in principle, but the current system probably needs reform.
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 8:23pm) in reply to HK_MP5N

     
    Originally Posted by HK_MP5N View Post

    Not so, the paid professionals of this field (IP attorneys) and such will adapt and change as the subject matter does. It certainly is going to add many wrinkles to IP insurance polices and how they are written.

    I'm sure the RIAA lawyers said the same thing to them. I am content with my original statement.
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 8:26pm) in reply to Etrain99

    it's more a paradox than a question.

    1. i believe people are entitled to the fruits of their labor.
    2. i believe in a limited, restricted government and free markets.

    i guess a question would be:
    how do you protect people's labor without empowering restrictive government?
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 8:34pm) in reply to emcee21

     
    Originally Posted by emcee21 View Post

    I'm for them in principle, but the current system probably needs reform.

    You're such an upstanding Objectivist ;)

    You may want to check this brief post out: http://blog.mises.org/archives/011042.asp

    Rand's exaltation of the creator and the implications for IP that that necessarily implied has some major complications, with the more important ones addressed in the above link. Anyway, the current IP debate is a very interesting. I just wish I had more time to follow it closer, but I figured you may want to see another perspective.
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 9:09pm) in reply to Milo

     
    Originally Posted by Milo View Post

    No problem . . .

    But don't ever quote it again, as it is my IP.

    i laughed
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    Nov 22nd, 2009 (11/22/2009 10:57pm) in reply to CCLLAAYY

    Then my work here is done.

    Night all . . .
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