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Interesting talk I had with my wife about kids and money

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  1. tom44411 tom44411 is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2011 (7/8/2011 10:44pm)

    So my wife was talking to a family friend who has 2 kids and they were saying that they along with another 2 kids had a bake sale today. The plan was for the kids to make cookies and cupcakes to sell around the block and donate the money to charity. While I agree with the whole giving and teaching kids to give I also think that raising kids to understand that working and making something for themselves is important. Among the 4 kids they made about $12 each and I was saying take $5 for the kids and give it to them for something while donating the rest. My wife was saying it's more important to donate it all so they understand the concept of giving. What are your thoughts?
     
  2. Niceguy Niceguy is offline I will find you.

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    Jul 8th, 2011 (7/8/2011 10:46pm) in reply to tom44411

    Give mccarthy a call, buncha communists in your vicinity.
    Edited By: Niceguy Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:47 PM
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    Jul 8th, 2011 (7/8/2011 10:47pm) in reply to tom44411

    why dont you just give the kids each 5 bux if you're intent is to gum up the works?
    Edited By: GrenadierB Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:50 PM
    Reason: new editing sux mai ballz
  4. Milo Milo is offline

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    Jul 8th, 2011 (7/8/2011 10:48pm) in reply to GrenadierB

    If the original idea was to raise $$$ for a charity, then donate all the proceeds. Otherwise, the $$$ was earned under a false pretense, as people thought they were contributing to a charity rather than the kids wallets.

    And do not sweat it. The kids will have realized that, if they do this again, they can do it to raise $$$ for themselves. Kids learn about $$$ verrrry quickly.
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    Jul 8th, 2011 (7/8/2011 10:51pm) in reply to Milo

    ^^^. can't give em money after the fact.

    next time tell them they can keep all profits (after deducting cookie expense). then take half and call it taxes. that'll learn em right quick

    you could even give the option of giving to charity to lower their tax bill lol
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    Jul 8th, 2011 (7/8/2011 10:52pm) in reply to norcaljeff

    Agree with Milo on this one - the kids weren't expecting $ out of it - just the good feeling that comes with helping others - give them a pat on the back or take them to do something fun for their hard work, but don't take $ out of why they earned - taking $ for themselves after telling ppl they were doing this for charity sends the wrong message to the kids imo

     
    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    ^^^. can't give em money after the fact.

    next time tell them they can keep all profits (after deducting cookie expense). then take half and call it taxes. that'll learn em right quick

    you could even give the option of giving to charity to lower their tax bill lol

    Hahaha love this :)
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    Jul 8th, 2011 (7/8/2011 10:53pm) in reply to pigalet42

    $12 fucking dollars?

    Should have just dropped them off at home depot with the mexicans and taught them a better lesson.
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    Jul 8th, 2011 (7/8/2011 10:53pm) in reply to Jaybone2315

    Not only would it be raising money under false pretense, you also want the kids to do what they say the will. No renigging.
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    Jul 8th, 2011 (7/8/2011 10:54pm) in reply to Moonlight Graham

    that's racist!
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    Jul 8th, 2011 (7/8/2011 10:55pm) in reply to Moonlight Graham

     
    Originally Posted by Moonlight Graham View Post

    Not only would it be raising money under false pretense, you also want the kids to do what they say the will. No renigging.

    racist

    Edit:atdststrytcrysetareaeracfy
    Edited By: dolphin13 Jul 8th, 2011 at 10:56 PM
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    Jul 8th, 2011 (7/8/2011 10:56pm) in reply to dolphin13

    race baiters.
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    Jul 8th, 2011 (7/8/2011 10:56pm) in reply to Moonlight Graham

    haha, next time i buy a few boxes of girl scout cookies i'll ask the lil tots what their take is.
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    Jul 8th, 2011 (7/8/2011 11:00pm) in reply to Stockage

    This could be the dumbest topic ever
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    Jul 8th, 2011 (7/8/2011 11:01pm) in reply to Da Donkey

    Tell them if they want to do this for charity, then you and your wife (mom and dad) will help them pay for the ingredients, etc., because it is a good thing that they are doing. There is reward in doing charitable acts that cannot be measured in dollars (this is your wife's lesson).

    But if (when) they want to do it for themselves, then they will have to pay for the ingredients themselves. This will provide them with a better sense of how economics work (which is what your lesson seems to be).
     
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    Jul 8th, 2011 (7/8/2011 11:41pm) in reply to SpankyHamm

    sounds like you are teaching them how social security "works." we'll collect money for your retirement...and then ship it to your neighbor.
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    Jul 8th, 2011 (7/8/2011 11:54pm) in reply to Mr Galt

    i bought one of those cup cakes and if you give your kids a 5 spot i want a refund. ship via fulltilt
    sn- tb4rizzl
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    Jul 9th, 2011 (7/9/2011 1:33am) in reply to tb4rizzl

    My first thought would have been, "that's cool," and I would have returned to whatever I was doing. Your one of those guys that's argues everything just for the sake of arguing aren't you?
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    Jul 9th, 2011 (7/9/2011 1:36am) in reply to kiro15

    You aren't very bright are you OP? I'd let the wife make all the important decisions in life if I were you
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    Jul 9th, 2011 (7/9/2011 1:43am) in reply to tom44411

     
    Originally Posted by tom44411 View Post

    The plan was for the kids to make cookies and cupcakes to sell around the block and donate the money to charity.

    very thoughtful of them - you should probably reward them for their hard work
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    Jul 9th, 2011 (7/9/2011 2:13am) in reply to tom44411

    I agree with most of the others that you can't change it now or you would have been committing fraud on your customers.

     

    My wife was saying it's more important to donate it all so they understand the concept of giving.

    Seems to me that the concept of providing for oneself should be learned before the concept of providing for others.
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    Jul 9th, 2011 (7/9/2011 4:15am) in reply to Dyzalot

    bet those little fuckers prob embezzeld about $5 of cookies pre. dont give em anything.
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    Jul 9th, 2011 (7/9/2011 12:13pm) in reply to Reech

    12 bucks?

    Must be some ugly or smelly kids.

    No one likes the smelly kids.
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    Jul 9th, 2011 (7/9/2011 1:13pm) in reply to saxman

     
    Originally Posted by saxman View Post

    very thoughtful of them - you should probably reward them for their hard work

    This.

    Teaching them that stealing from charity is okay doesn't seem like a good idea. I see where you are coming from wanting to teach them about earning money for working, maybe next time they decide to do this you could set up a fun little "business", hire the kids for a real houly wage to prepare and serve food to some homeless people. This would even work with the bake sale idea.
    Edited By: MattElsarelli Jul 9th, 2011 at 01:13 PM
     
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    Jul 9th, 2011 (7/9/2011 1:36pm) in reply to MattElsarelli

    You've taught your children a vaulable lesson about how to skim money off of charitable donations. They are future congressmen now, congrats!
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    Jul 9th, 2011 (7/9/2011 2:08pm) in reply to whitealroker

    Take them to DQ as a reward for their efforts..................sheesh.
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    Jul 9th, 2011 (7/9/2011 2:58pm) in reply to raisethis2

    op is what is wrong with the world. jesus christ.
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    Jul 9th, 2011 (7/9/2011 3:13pm) in reply to Neeek

    i missed the interesting part.
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    Jul 9th, 2011 (7/9/2011 3:41pm) in reply to AGx19

    You are merely teaching your children the lesson of charitable donation tax refunds.
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    Jul 9th, 2011 (7/9/2011 5:05pm) in reply to tom44411

     
    Originally Posted by tom44411 View Post

    So my wife was talking to a family friend who has 2 kids and they were saying that they along with another 2 kids had a bake sale today. The plan was for the kids to make cookies and cupcakes to sell around the block and donate the money to charity. While I agree with the whole giving and teaching kids to give I also think that raising kids to understand that working and making something for themselves is important. Among the 4 kids they made about $12 each and I was saying take $5 for the kids and give it to them for something while donating the rest. My wife was saying it's more important to donate it all so they understand the concept of giving. What are your thoughts?

    Only if they file it on them w2s...
     
  30. the_schmenx the_schmenx is offline

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    Jul 9th, 2011 (7/9/2011 5:30pm) in reply to cocoa_butter111

    The dollar is going to be worthless soon making any lesson learned moot.
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