If you are a drug addict, doesn't matter what your drug of choice is/was....once you get fucked up on another drug you want to do your old vice again

Denial is not just a river in Egypt...

 

Originally Posted by Prestonluv

Stop giving jroth the attention he does not deserve

Most people never achieve long term sobriety
Think 5+ years

They just take extended breaks from 1 month to a few years
It's not really a relapse
That's just a name given by alcoholics to make themselves feel better about themselves if they start using again

A relapse is someone who has like 5+ years and than slowly stops doing what kept them sober and eventually they use again

People who use after being clean one or two years are not relapsing
They are just starting up after an extended break

Is 4 years and 11 months a relapse or extended break?

 

Originally Posted by chancemcc

alchohol triggers drug use in addicts is what i meant,. im confused and tired.

gn

That's like saying drug use triggers drug use in addicts. Quite insightful of you.

 

Originally Posted by Prestonluv

There is no heroin addict or booze addicts or Pill addicts

There are only drug addicts
I am called a alcoholic cause booze was my drug of choice
But if I started snorting coke than I would be drinking again shortly afterwards
I really am a str8 drug addict as any type of drug will likely cause my downfall

People have their drug of choice and years of experience has taught me that those who start using any drug will shortly be using their drug of choice and be back on the run

Downplaying someones use just because it might not be their drug of choice shows a complete lack of knowledge on how drug addicts function

That's a dumb statement. Are you saying drinking coffee will make a drug addict gravitate back to his drug of choice? Oh, you mean illegal drugs. Of course the only difference between illegal and legal drugs is the decision of some beaurocrat in Washington. What you are claiming has no basis in science or common sense.

And speaking of addicts and their drugs, what percentage of people at an AA meeting are furiously smoking cigarettes on every break? How come AA lets them use that highly addictive and destructive drug if drug use begets drug use?

 

Originally Posted by SmokeyCasinos

lol at addicts needing a faciltity for rehab, just quit it's that fucking simple. I did

I'm sorry...you're going to have to defer to PLuv. He is the resident know-it-all ex-addict. Please show some respect.

 

Originally Posted by FTWDomer

Is 4 years and 11 months a relapse or extended break?

haha..you guys are funny...i was obviousely giving estimated numbers. To go in depth relapse is a process and not just someone deciding to drink. Many people have extended breaks and feel better and than decide to drink again because they think they can mange it this time.

A relapse happens with a person who at one time had no intention of ever using again. Its a process that take months...sometimes years to happen. One slowly stops doing all that they did to get them sober. As the months go by they start to revert back to their old social habits. they keep these demons inside because they are not sharing it with people and eventually they say fuck it my life sucks agains so i might as well start using.

So many people think a relapse is just a person having a bad day or week and then saying fuck it...no thats someone drinking after a break..people with long term sobriety dont do that shit.....a relapse is someone who has taken years to build up their strength and stay sober and then they stop doing what got and kept them sober and then eventually the shield breaks and they use again.

Thats why a relapse happens only with someone who has multiple years. People with 1 or 2 years dont fucking relapse...they just continue using after a long break.

Sandman has 18 months and i know he talks about another 24 all the time which is great. But, thats more of a guideline to live everyday to the fullest. If Sandman is currently doing everything he needs to do to stay sober than he wont drink anythime in the near future. If all of a sudden he stops doing what got him sober cold turkey than he wont drink today, tommorrow or a few weeks from now. But, eventually the demons will grow and he might use again. This usually takes months or longer.

Sorry for using you as an example Sandman but i think you know what i am getting at.

 

Originally Posted by JRoth15

I'm sorry...you're going to have to defer to PLuv. He is the resident know-it-all ex-addict. Please show some respect.

read above and thanks

 

Originally Posted by SmokeyCasinos

lol at addicts needing a faciltity for rehab, just quit it's that fucking simple. I did

some people can do this but a very high percentage of people dont work this way who have the addiction problem.

congrats...pat on back time

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

That's a dumb statement. Are you saying drinking coffee will make a drug addict gravitate back to his drug of choice? Oh, you mean illegal drugs. Of course the only difference between illegal and legal drugs is the decision of some beaurocrat in Washington. What you are claiming has no basis in science or common sense.

And speaking of addicts and their drugs, what percentage of people at an AA meeting are furiously smoking cigarettes on every break? How come AA lets them use that highly addictive and destructive drug if drug use begets drug use?

for someone so smart you sure make shallow and uneducated comments at times. any fool knows what i am saying but you just want to play devils advocate.

comparing an addiction to alcohol or herion to that of smoking is just lol....dyz being dyz

 

Originally Posted by elusively

One beer ABSOLUTELY can spell major problems for a former heroin addict. No, not every single one will completely relapse and start banging dope, but it's the first step down a slippery slope. That's all I was saying w/ my initial reply ITT, "people who don't understand addiction ITT."

completely understood...and i was definitely underplaying how quickly it can happen. after all, i've never been there.

at the same time (and i think you are saying this, too), PLuv is completely ignoring the fact that it doesn't HAVE to happen that way. there are people who have beaten addiction with one substance, and can still have a beer every now and again without falling down that slippery slope that you mention.

 

Originally Posted by Prestonluv

for someone so smart you sure make shallow and uneducated comments at times. any fool knows what i am saying but you just want to play devils advocate.

comparing an addiction to alcohol or herion to that of smoking is just lol....dyz being dyz

You were the one being shallow. I just pointed it out. Answer the question. Does the use of ay drug lead you to using the drug of your choice or is it only illegal drugs? If it is only illegal drugs then explain your stance on alcohol. If it is all drugs then please explain why caffeine or nicotine use wouldn't provide the same results. I'm sick and tired of people using the word "drug" to only mean the "bad, illegal ones". It is intellectually dishonest and perpetuates the general misunderstanding over the War (on some) Drugs. And why is it lol to compare a nicotine addiction to alcohol or heroin? They both have the potential to kill you due to long term use. I think it is "LOL" to try and intellectually argue that a nicotine addiction isn't equivalent to a heroin addiction in the same way that a heroin addiction is considered equivalent to a meth addiction.

 

Originally Posted by jesterwords

when they don't overlap in ways that make you weaker to the other substance

when I drink booze I still desire cigarettes

when I drink coffee though I do not crave cigarettes

booze and coffee both drugs that I used to enjoy cigarettes

I've known many people that have quit cigarettes that said that the toughest time was when they were drinking their morning coffee since it used to be so standard for them to do both at the same time.

 

Originally Posted by jesterwords

yea, each person is different

I agree. I think relapses or "falling off the wagon" happens more often to doing something that you always associated with your drug. It might be going out to clubs. It might be drinking at a bar. It might be that morning coffee. I think relapses have more to do with coming into contact with things that you used to do with that drug causing whatever triggers in the brain to keep us habitual. To me that's why cigarette smokers have the toughest time when drinking. Its the mental conections that had been built up for years that are hard to break unless you avoid the entire environment. That's one reason why recovering drug addicts are told to not associate with the people that they used to do their drugs with.

 

Originally Posted by Jaybone2315

I think this thread helped me realize im not an alcoholic. Ive never once had the urge to try any other drugs while drunk. Ive been blackout drunk and refused weed and coke. My one weakness is fat girls.

If i ever want to quit banging chubbys, then i need to quit the sauce.

Shit, maybe i am an addict. Im confused now.

you're a sex-with-fat-girls-addict and alcohol is your trigger?

 

Originally Posted by elusively

Your personal definition of a relapse might be the most retarded fucking thing I have ever read. And that sucks, because I desperately want to be on your side of this argument.

One beer ABSOLUTELY can spell major problems for a former heroin addict. No, not every single one will completely relapse and start banging dope, but it's the first step down a slippery slope. That's all I was saying w/ my initial reply ITT, "people who don't understand addiction ITT."

Sorry you feel that way and it's not my definition

I was taught this by many people with multiple years and most will tell you the same shit
Relapse is a long drawn out process not a quick decision

We need people like you jay as fatties need to get there short term ego boost from somewhere

Preston i think after years of reading your posts I have decided that your general "know it all" outlook and condescending tone makes you the worst poster on this site.

 

Originally Posted by Autolobotomist

*nods agreement*

 

Originally Posted by Autolobotomist

Pluv is nothing if not a smug asshole.

better to be a smug asshole whose educated on this subject than an uneducated fuckwad who knows jack shit about it.

 

Originally Posted by TFly33

Preston i think after years of reading your posts I have decided that your general "know it all" outlook and condescending tone makes you the worst poster on this site.

who are you?