Originally Posted by (oIo)

This is a pretty big event. You should question your own self for not getting pissed.

America is in some sort of identity crisis. Our man at the top appears to not be doing everything he can to right the ship. That's what we should be ashamed of.

I am pissed. Im not however using it as fire power in my war against a political party based simply on the verbiage they used. I feel those, like yourself, that seem to be pushing for some radical outcome and/or hasty decision on how we should respond are the ones suffering from the identity crisis.

 

Originally Posted by Magnet Steve

This makes no sense at all. Death seems like a pretty good reason to push an agenda, especially if you believe that your agenda would have prevented that death. All the couch-fainting from the left about "inappropriateness" is so disingenuous I feel like I'm watching people audition for an Aaron Sorkin show.

If your agenda is simply to strengthen Embassy and Consulate security sure, but when your agenda is to get a man out of office, or further divide a nation from a religious group it's simply sad.

 

Originally Posted by Magnet Steve

This makes no sense at all. Death seems like a pretty good reason to push an agenda, especially if you believe that your agenda would have prevented that death. All the couch-fainting from the left about "inappropriateness" is so disingenuous I feel like I'm watching people audition for an Aaron Sorkin show.

You think the republican agenda would have prevented the ambassador's death? Or american deaths in general? Pls explain.

Facebook update from a friend who is in Tunisia. The embassy was attacked there today.

Veronica
update from Tunis: the embassy and the adjacent American school were attacked. protesters scaled the wall behind the compound. there were no Americans inside the embassy. they replaced the American flag with a black jihadi flag. three police officers were killed and many protesters were injured. the protesters have been destroying cars and burning the trees on the grounds of the embassy. Tunisian police were using tear gas and warning shots. apparently the police have gotten the crowd under control and the violence has subsided. I'm totally safe don't worry. it's sad such a small radical segment of the population can perform an act of violence that becomes representative of the country to others. Tunisians are so good and kind and completely unlike this.
Like · · 3 minutes ago near Tunis, Qabis ·

RIP to all those who died in these tragedies.

 

Originally Posted by NUTZREALHUGE

increasing local police does nothing. they stood by and watched the mobs destroy our embassies.

sending 50 marines to yemen doesnt change much. send 5000, send them to every embassy we have in the middle east and send them with orders to shoot anyone who sets foot on embassy grounds. those people need to know that we wont tolerate their animalistic behavior.

evacuating employees is fine, but they are just going to be brought back in a couple of weeks, into the same vulnerable situation.

So when's your flight?

I think it's sad the man in office uses these difficult times to divide the country for the sake of maintaining power to advance his wrongheaded and irresponsible agenda.

btw my prior comment was meant to be a somewhat lighthearted response to your serious post.

 

Originally Posted by Realbigfish4

If your agenda is simply to strengthen Embassy and Consulate security sure, but when your agenda is to get a man out of office, or further divide a nation from a religious group it's simply sad.

Politics is war without violence. Calls for "civility" are simply a stealth weapon, attempting to marginalize an opponent's stance without having to engage the ideas. Pretty standard for the party in power (GOP did this plenty in 2008, IIRC)

 

Originally Posted by AmSlim22

You think the republican agenda would have prevented the ambassador's death? Or american deaths in general? Pls explain.

It's not whether I think it would work, it's whether they do. If they see the violence as an inevitable result of liberal foreign policy, they'd be fools not to engage the issue. Bit late in the game to get squeamish about it now.

 

Originally Posted by NUTZREALHUGE

increasing local police does nothing. they stood by and watched the mobs destroy our embassies.

sending 50 marines to yemen doesnt change much. send 5000, send them to every embassy we have in the middle east and send them with orders to shoot anyone who sets foot on embassy grounds. those people need to know that we wont tolerate their animalistic behavior.

evacuating employees is fine, but they are just going to be brought back in a couple of weeks, into the same vulnerable situation.

So you want to just send out 100k marines or so....

 

Originally Posted by AmSlim22

So you want to just send out 100k marines or so....

ok since you like to criticize my position so much, how do you think this situation should be resolved?

I'm in the take my ball and go home camp on this one. I'm against retaliation. I'm against continuing diplomatic relations. I'm against foreign aid. I'm against giving a fuck about stupid people who get riled up over holy things.

Fuck 'em all. We could use $2-4B/yr for more food stamps and free cell phones.

 

Originally Posted by Magnet Steve

Politics is war without violence. Calls for "civility" are simply a stealth weapon, attempting to marginalize an opponent's stance without having to engage the ideas. Pretty standard for the party in power (GOP did this plenty in 2008, IIRC)

I'd have this same stance if the dems were the ones demeaning these families and this nation's lose. Just b/c it's become the standard practice of politicians to doesnt make it right.

 

Originally Posted by Hank H1LL

that's fine



I don't have to criticize obama to take a shit on foreign aid. march on, brother.

My response about foreign aid was to the guy who said we should just end all of it.

Obv there could be a discussion about it, I wasn't doing that here.

 

Originally Posted by killingbird

Mitt is not technically "in office" at the moment, but I get what you are saying and I agree.

It really doesn't matter what his name is, does it?

 

Originally Posted by NUTZREALHUGE

ok since you like to criticize my position so much, how do you think this situation should be resolved?

Make sure people in our embassy are safe and go from there