The thing is PEDs don't enhance performance directly, they enhance athletes' ability to train to perform better. Just a small thing that usually gets overlooked.

I vote for no testing across the board. Of course in reality it's a matter of following the rules of the league but that's not how most people look at the presence of PEDs. Bring back the wild west and level the playing field imo.

Lol jroth. Check pics of tony gwynn as he aged. Proof or gtfo

So you say. Proof?

Lol @ ot: cops/prosecution always wrong...unless atlete accused of "cheating"

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

So you say. Proof?

Lol @ ot: cops/prosecution always wrong...unless atlete accused of "cheating"

I know what you're going to say but I'll ask anyway. Do you personally feel that Barry Bonds used PEDs?

the espn sportsnation poll has 47% popular opinion saying he didn't take PED's. Most ridiculous thing ever. Of course the most drug abused sport there is, but the 7 time tour de france winner and all around best cyclist ever is clean... i dont even blame him for it. It's like not taking PED's during the baseball steroid era. it's not cheating if everybody is doing it.

And in the process he pissed off the French for a decade

Odds that Derek Jeter is the next big name pro athlete to get popped for Steroids/HGH?

 

Originally Posted by JRoth15

Also, lifting really hard can build muscle mass...but AFAIK, that muscle mass doesn't change your cap size or the molecular structure of your face.

"I think pro-athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create! Lets go! Anything that will make you run faster, jump higher! I have High-Definition TV! I want my athletes like my video games! Lets go! I could care less if you die at 40. You hate life after sports anyways. I'm doing you a favor."
- Daniel Tosh

Don't know anything about this situation all I know is his name consistently comes up as an example of a famous asshole so this sounds good to me

 

Originally Posted by JRoth15

lol do you even look stats up before you post? his K% is down...but his BB% is also down--so pretty sure his batting eye hasn't gotten better.

i'm not saying he's on roids...the real reason he's hitting more HRs this year is because his HR/FB% is at 21.7%--which is so absurdly high i don't even know how to describe it.

however, my point wasn't even about that...my point is that i feel it's a completely valid question to ask given all the information we now know about the past few decades. his power is up at age 38 and he's played with 10 "known" users (or whatever the number is)...why wouldn't it be a valid question?

Tony Gwynn set career highs in hits, doubles, home runs, and RBIs (by 29) when he was 38, in 1997. And would have set a career high in homer runs the following year if he didn't get hurt (1 short in 22 less games)

 

Originally Posted by JRoth15

Seems like Clemens has ties to the mob IYAM.

Andy Pettitte didn't misremember shit. Roger Clemens told him that he took HGH, and Pettitte told the court about it. What's the big deal? Yah he somewhat backpedalled after he talked to Clemens and Roger told him his ass was on the line if he didn't help him out...notice how Pettitte didn't recant his statement? He was led into a position by Clemens' attorney.

I also love how everybody was so up in arms about Skip Bayless mentioning the phrase "PEDs" while using Derek Jeter's name...even tho he's having a power surge year at age 38. I know it's Skip Bayless and he's an idiot, but why is it not a valid question? He's seemingly getting better at the plate at age 38, and he's played with about 10 guys who have been on the juice. I'm definitely not saying Jeter juices or did at any point, but why is it not a valid question? All of the people before him have opened the door...why wouldn't we question his season with the way everything else has went down?

no the problem with what that fukcing muppet bayless said is he used names with no basis on anything. you think skip would be happy if people started to say shit like "i heard he might dodges taxes" or "i heard that he blew the president of espn" (the last one is probably true). fuck that clown and fuck espn for letting him run his mouth. espn has been on a pos decline the last 5 years. noone gives a fuck what bayless thinks and they just let him spew whatever he wants and yea, sooooo many people give a crap about jets TRAINING CAMP. and dont get me started on the little league world series either.

oh and now they are the "official place to watch clements pitch in his minor league start"...are you kidding me?

Wonder how long until our Livestrong Park is under new name?

I must admit, it would be a lot easier to ride a bike with one nut

Drugs or no, the man is still an inspiration. It's like he said in his interview; he knows who won those 7 TDF titles, and so does everybody else. Do you really think everybody is going to just forget who he is? Stripped of titles or not, I'll always think of him as the guy who killed it in the Tour.

 

Originally Posted by TMLMS13

Tony Gwynn set career highs in hits, doubles, home runs, and RBIs (by 29) when he was 38, in 1997. And would have set a career high in homer runs the following year if he didn't get hurt (1 short in 22 less games)

Can't see his HR/FB% b/c they didn't track it back then...but his ISO definitely went up for his last few years. It's odd...but I didn't bring Tony Gwynn's name up. And I only posted a pic of Bonds to show that his facial structure had physically changed. People don't do that...

And LOL @ using RBIs...c'mon, son. I think the biggest anomaly would be that he stole 17/11/12 bases in his 36/37/38 aged seasons.

EDIT--And I meant Barry's 2001 season when I posted last night...not 2002. It'd be interesting to see what his HR/FB% was in 2001. For the 6 seasons they tracked it, his HR/FB% was 25.1%...that means 1 out of every 4 flyballs he hit went out of the park. That's insane.

HR/FB% (home run rate) is the percentage of home runs a pitcher gives up out of the number of fly balls they gave up. League average is normally around 10.6% (the number used in xFIP).