Originally Posted by Neeek

Like what? I'm not saying you are wrong, just not aware of any strong evidence to suggest this is true.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...been-told.aspx

This guy is a natural health guru. Kind of a maniac at points, and def takes some of his points too far, but his dietary advice is 2nd to none.

 

Originally Posted by Admiral

The jury is actually still out on the HFCS being really really bad. It first came out and everyone was claiming it is a healthy alternative to sugar, that's obviously false. Then without a whole lot of good scientific evidence everyone was shouting that it is poison and the only reason anyone is producing it is because it is so cheap.

From a purely chemical structure standpoint it is very close to normal sugar, and I really think when all is said and done the debate will settle back in the middle as being a much cheaper alternative to sugar that should be consumed in manageable portions just like anything else.

this is probably true, and was how I used to feel, but all these health nuts on twitter have me spooked. lol. been trying to cut soda out, but still have a Dr. Pepper somewhat regularly

 

Originally Posted by Admiral

The jury is actually still out on the HFCS being really really bad. It first came out and everyone was claiming it is a healthy alternative to sugar, that's obviously false. Then without a whole lot of good scientific evidence everyone was shouting that it is poison and the only reason anyone is producing it is because it is so cheap.

From a purely chemical structure standpoint it is very close to normal sugar, and I really think when all is said and done the debate will settle back in the middle as being a much cheaper alternative to sugar that should be consumed in manageable portions just like anything else.

Yep as with lots of things nutrition related we are just in the infancy of what we know. At this point it's best to avoid/minimize HFCS to be on the safe side of things but who knows how that will change as research advances. I avoid all coke related stuff but it's more because I love to eat and that takes away from actual food I can eat to reach my calorie goals.

 

Originally Posted by Neeek

I mean, that tidbit pretty much says nothing. HFCS is present in most kid's juices as well. If I remember right HFCS is absorbed and metabolized in a differrent manner, but that doesn't really make it less healthy. It just means it is more effectively taken up and stored in the body (which other sugars will also do, just in a less direct/efficient manner). I was more looking for actual scientific evidence that soda is worse for you than juice.

artificial things aren't as good as natural things. it's science.

and yeah, HFCS is hidden in everything from juices to applesauce to ketchup... shit's absurd

 

Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd

artificial things aren't as good as natural things. it's science.

and yeah, HFCS is hidden in everything from juices to applesauce to ketchup... shit's absurd

I mean, the artificial/natural designation is fairly unimportant on something like simple sugars. they are both broken down into the exact same molecules. if one wants to talk about the benefits of "natural foods" (which is something I love to do myself, being a borderline hippy), its more an argument of the antioxidants and unknown compounds of fresh fruits/vetetables/etc., that may have links to improved health, that one does not get from processed shit. Its not so much the actual proteins and carbs; those are exactly the same.

I'm just being a nitty medical student though. I have seen waaaay to many facebook posts about "natural foods" that have been completely absurd recently, and half of my extended family is Mormon, so its a touchy subject.

the real problem with HFCS is what you just mentioned. They add it to everything, which jam-packs more calories into random shit to make it "taste better." the real problem is the contribution it provides to everyone being a fatass.

can't the prevelance of HFCS be traced back to corn subsidies inflating the corn market? like I said earlier I grew up with producing it but I can better see now the problems with subsidizing the shit out of it.

everyone around here had a shitty year, I'd say on average people are getting 50-75% of their normal bushels/acre yield. the price of corn has gone wayyyy up with lower supply, but along with it go machinery prices, fertilizer, seed, etc. and food prices will rise more than any time in the last decade+ because corn is so integrated into such a variety of foods.

basically the whole market is more difficult to enter because of the market inflation, and current business owners are encouraged to keep producing more and more corn (beyond the demand imo), and more efficiently because of the rising operational costs. it seems like nobody wins except for the farmer (moreso the farm suppliers), and then when the bad season comes like this year, they experience worse losses because of market manipulation.

anyway I'm just rambling about anti-regulation nonsense but my main point is food prices are about to soar because of the high prevalence of HFCS in our food. healthy or unhealthy won't be the only issue.

 

Originally Posted by Hank H1LL

well shit there you go. I type slow.

This should be the perfect example of one government action having a completely unintended shitty reaction.

Look what happens when we put tariffs on importing sugar.

We start making HFCS because we subsidize corn production.
HFCS blows up and is cheap so obviously every large food manufacturer is going to use it because it drives their profit margins.
America starts getting fat(ter) and the government freaks out and bans sodas larger than 16 oz.
Now manufacturers of 16 oz cups are going to start going insane to keep up with the demand for every restaurant and food service provider in New York.
Some scientist in a lab is going to come up with a new material to design cups that is half the costs of the plastics they use now.
In 10 years we are going to find out this plastic causes some sort of strange cancer and then we are going to ban ALL plastics cups.
We turn to glass or paper to make every cup but due to tariffs we will put in place importing trees after we kill all of ours off making paper cups...ok I'll stop now. Interesting discussion though.

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Has anyone had this yet? Easily my favorite Fruit Juice, in less than 16 oz portions obv.

 

Originally Posted by Admiral

Has anyone had this yet? Easily my favorite Fruit Juice, in less than 16 oz portions obv.

yes, delicious, probably the best of the Simply juices

 

Originally Posted by Lord Supremo

yes, delicious, probably the best of the Simply juices

Common ground!

 

Originally Posted by Hank H1LL

I despise grapefruits so I can't say I've ever tried the juice. I will give it a shot with and without whiskey.

im the only person i've ever seen to order a whiskey grapefruit at a bar, but i think more ppl should lol


grapefruit juice > grapefruits; whiskey ginger prolly trumps all too

 

Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd

the HFCS in soda causes much more than obesity. if we are only talking about weight gain, you have point... but there are artificial ingredients in soda that are very bad for us

but 100% fruit juices like grape/orange etc. are good for you, so long as you manage the calories. natural sugars like from fruit are good energy for your brain (read something like that)

HFCS and other ingredients is the real problem, not sugary drinks in general. some of them are just fine, given proper portion control.

You already lost the argument. The law is in place for "weight loss" reasons so banning 16oz cups of soda and excluding OJ is illogical.

so, weight loss on OJ, is the equivalent as weight loss on soda/pop?

*sips Crown*