Originally Posted by LarsonLarsen

Do you really believe that the majority of todays military joined up because they are simply "more patriotic" than the "average" American?

I believe that, if you were to somehow measure the patriotism of all Americans, the mean (or median, take your pick!) military number would be significantly higher than the national mean (or median). Hope that's nuanced enough for your superior intellect.

I mean I can see how my initial comment can be misconstrued, but I still don't think it's wrong. I really don't think the majority of currently enlisted service-people joined up because they're so much more patriotic than you or me.

For the record, my brother is currently stationed in Alaska(not exactly sure where) I think just National Guard. Haven't spoke to him in a couple years.

My grandfather on my mothers side is retired and served in Vietnam. His brother was one of only 6 people from my hometown killed in action during Vietnam.

Grandfather on my fathers side is retired Navy. Fought in Okinawa etc etc.

So I'm not ignorant to military tradition/honor/whatever. I'm just not naive enough to think that the military members of the more modern era all joined out of a sense of patriotic duty.

what a retarded fucking argument.

He's trying to talk down to me, Grindier. Not you.

 

Originally Posted by LarsonLarsen

He's trying to talk down to me, Grindier. Not you.

 

Originally Posted by Magnet Steve

This is correct. Jay is cool.

next time you want to snap and someone, quote the right person maybe? lol

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

lol they both said the same thing, which is why you quoted jay

 

Originally Posted by LarsonLarsen

Dunno about all this.

Around here your average guy that joined the military did so essentially because he was too stupid to do anything else and couldn't or didn't want to go to college. Patriotism has very little to do with why people join up, IMO.

 

Originally Posted by Jaybone2315

Ive seen both sides. While your in HS, it seems that all the idiots with no future are the ones going in. But as you see guys who you go to/graduate college with go in, then you see the other side of it.

[ ] same thing

lol, more successful than I could have possibly imagined.

 

Originally Posted by Magnet Steve

[ ] same thing

jay's position is two things bc he adds in that he has also seen those who have gone after college. they are both saying that the ones who go in from HS and dont go to college are basically the "idiots". Jay def echoes Larson's statement, he just adds on to it.

Weird. I thought I opened the thread about the batman movie killings.

 

Originally Posted by LarsonLarsen

I'll admit that calling them "idiots" or inferring that they joined out of stupidity was a poor choice of words.

Thank you. This shit "rustles my jimmies" because over 6000 young men and women have died in the fucking desert, thousands of miles from home, many in agonizing pain, wearing our colors and our flags. That's over 6000 families whose lives have been completely torn apart: parents, widows, children losing parents they may have never even met. Many, if not most, of them didn't even believe in the war they were fighting, but they went anyway.

And fuck you, Lord Supremo and Mr. Smith. This shit isn't fucking funny.

 

Originally Posted by LarsonLarsen

That's fantastic if they come out as better people in the end. Doesn't mean they joined because they are just "more patriotic" than the rest of us.

Would you also agree that it's equally, if not more pathetic to judge someone off a couple of message board posts? At least I judged guys who I'd known for 10+ years before making broad, general statements about them.

Who said anything about people joining up because they were more patriotic? It happens from time to time (WW2, 9/11, etc.), but that doesn't make it the norm. I haven't served, but I presume that the military environment is one that fosters patriotism, purpose and unity.

The majority of the personnel in our armed forces have all joined since 9/11 and the current wars that we have since been in.. Personally, i dont care if you have absolutely nothing going for you, there is a high level of patriotism in my opinion to join an organization where you are putting your life on the line for what your nation asks of you. Also, why is it looked at like people dont have better options if they choose the military out of high school? Some just can't afford college, don't want to live at home and want to do something of value.. Bottom line, joining the military has its benefits of course, but its also a tremendous and sometimes fatal sacrifice and I wouldnt diminish it in any way by categorizing it as a fallback for some on any level.

With that being said, I am not trying to illustrate that you are automatically more patriotric than others just by joining the military, but you are definitely patriotric. You can be patriotic in many ways by volunteering, giving to others less fortunate, being a teacher, fireman, policeman, or basically just being a positive product to society. Anything to help out your fellow American and make us stronger vice weaker. I respect that just as much as a someone who logs many years in the service as we are all needed somewhere.

 

Originally Posted by Magnet Steve

And fuck you, Lord Supremo and Mr. Smith. This shit isn't fucking funny.

lol

when did you become a bitch?

calm down, its the internet; LS threw out some bait, someone bit and you got mad

 

Originally Posted by Magnet Steve

And fuck you, Lord Supremo and Mr. Smith. This shit isn't fucking funny.

Actually, multiple pages of inane debate and butthurt are really fucking funny.

 

Originally Posted by niptuck

I don't cry often but after reading about the little 9-12 year old girl lying lifeless, I prayed and cried. This world needs help and ban violent video games imo.

seriously. how is it that people are still blaming video games for this kind of thing.