Originally Posted by BillBrasky

They were toe to toe nearly the entire fight.

Not the definition of toe to toe I had in mind

Don't know how I got suckered into giving thoughts on this fight

 

Originally Posted by wantagolf

Pacquiao's fans are more passionate about boxing and he has way more followers who live and die with each of his fights, they just dont live in the US. Manny deserves his fair share.

The historic boxing fight between Manny Pacquiao and Miguel Cotto in Las Vegas left at least 10 boxing fans dead in the Philippines. They allegedly died from heart attacks after watching the fight on television.

At least 10 Filipino boxing fans died in different parts of the country while watching their favorite boxing idol Manny Pacquiao fight on television Saturday night (Sunday in Maniila).


Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/articl...#ixzz1u49F3yLx

hahaha

Haha I wish individual fans had a price tag.

 

Originally Posted by BillBrasky

We'll have to agree to disagree. Pacquiao's skill level is average, there is no question in my mind. His speed is exceptional and his power is excellent even at his size. His skill level is average; I don't see any way you can argue this. He does nothing that well. He has no jab, rarely throws any hooks, always off balance, never adjusts, and gets hit at will when his opponents throw. Its his exceptional speed that overwhelms people and keeps them defensive (see Clottey and Mosley). People like Marg and Hatton are just walking punching bags. Any true boxer he has faced recently he has tried to gain an advantage on the scales (dehydrate Oscar and Cotto, make Marquez come up in weight). Watch Pac fights closely and tell me his skills are anything but average.

Well it depends what you deem worthy of being called a skill. Personally I think hand speed is a skill in itself. I also don't think his other "skills" are as bad as you say they are. The only time I've ever thought that he looked legitimately ordinary was in his 3rd fight against JMM. You called Hatton a punching bag but his record was excellent before he faced Pac and Mayweather.

And I disagree about him making Oscar come down. Oscar was already fighting at junior-middle while Pacman was still at lightweight. Pacman had to go up 2 weight classes while Oscar only went down one. Oscar was the biggest drawcard in boxing, Pacman couldn't make him do anything he didn't want to. The advantage was clearly with Oscar. Furthermore, Oscar didn't dehydrate for the fight either, so there goes that excuse.

 

Originally Posted by The Spewtard

Well it depends what you deem worthy of being called a skill. Personally I think hand speed is a skill in itself. I also don't think his other "skills" are as bad as you say they are. The only time I've ever thought that he looked legitimately ordinary was in his 3rd fight against JMM. You called Hatton a punching bag but his record was excellent before he faced Pac and Mayweather.

And I disagree about him making Oscar come down. Oscar was already fighting at junior-middle while Pacman was still at lightweight. Pacman had to go up 2 weight classes while Oscar only went down one. Oscar was the biggest drawcard in boxing, Pacman couldn't make him do anything he didn't want to. The advantage was clearly with Oscar. Furthermore, Oscar didn't dehydrate for the fight either, so there goes that excuse.

LoL don't comment on boxing please. Oscar fought 20 lbs below is normal fighting weight while fighting Pac. What happened vs Marquez 1-3? PAC is not a good boxer, yeah I said

 

Originally Posted by The Spewtard

Actually Oscar had spent most of his career at welterweight which is what they fought at. 7 lbs below his most recent fight which was junior middle.

Maybe you should refrain from commenting dumbass.

on December 6, 2008, Pacquiao moved up to the welterweight division in order to face the six-division world champion Oscar De La Hoya at the MGM Grand, in a fight called "The Dream Match." Presented by Golden Boy Promotions and Top Rank, the bout was scheduled as a twelve-round, non-title fight contested at the 147-pound welterweight limit. Although Pacquiao went into the fight widely recognized as the leading pound-for-pound boxer in the world, some boxing pundits had speculated that 147 pounds could be too far above his natural weight against the larger De La Hoya However, due to rehydration after the weigh in, De La Hoya came into the fight actually weighing less than Pacquiao and close to 20 pounds under his usual fighting weight. Pacquiao dominated the fight and, after eight rounds, De La Hoya's corner was forced to throw in the towel, awarding Pacquiao the win via technical knockout.

Facts are facts fuck head.

Again, tell me how your boy Pac did against Marquez?

 

Originally Posted by The Spewtard

However, Pacquiao's trainer Roach was confident of a victory as he stated that De La Hoya could no longer "pull the trigger" at that stage of his career.[27] De La Hoya, who was favored to win the bout due to his size advantage, was expected to be the heavier of the two on fight night. However, though Pacquiao weighed 142 pounds (64 kg) and De La Hoya 145 pounds (66 kg) at the official weigh-in on Friday,[28] De La Hoya entered the ring at 147 pounds to Pacquiao's 148.5 pounds (67.4 kg).[29]

Tell me when Oscar ever fought at 167 pounds (super middle).

And since when is Pac my boy? If you bothered to read this thread, I already acknowledged that Pac got destroyed by JMM

obv Weigh in does not equal fight weight. It's obvious we have similar opinions about boxing, but perhaps we express them in different way.

Ok but real question for you. Who wins? Mayweather or Pacquiao?

 

Originally Posted by HeyNiceAscot

Ok but real question for you. Who wins? Mayweather or Pacquiao?

Obv the bullshit doesn't matter. Who wins?

 

Originally Posted by playadelCHI

sooo this.
Floyd-Manny is going to happen but money is waiting to make sure that it's his last fight regardless of the result. The purse is going to be straight up outrageous and waiting until Manny begins his 'decline' is one of dozens of calculated moves Mayweather has made throughout his career to put him at the riiidddiiiiculous clip of 43-0.
I understand why losers hate on Mayweather but speaking from a pure sporting perspective, he is a legend and so much more.

I don't know how you can say he's waiting for Manny to decline then call Floyd a legend in the very next sentence. Its funny though that after Manny's poor performance against JMM, Floyd is calling him out.

 

Originally Posted by The Spewtard

Yeah im aware of that. Maybe you missed this?

However, Pacquiao's trainer Roach was confident of a victory as he stated that De La Hoya could no longer "pull the trigger" at that stage of his career.[27] De La Hoya, who was favored to win the bout due to his size advantage, was expected to be the heavier of the two on fight night. However, though Pacquiao weighed 142 pounds (64 kg) and De La Hoya 145 pounds (66 kg) at the official weigh-in on Friday,[28] De La Hoya entered the ring at 147 pounds to Pacquiao's 148.5 pounds (67.4 kg).[29]

Nice try though. Maybe you should get your facts straight before you call someone out about their boxing knowledge...

Oscar's ring weight for his fights prior to the Pac fight was usually in the 162-167 range which is why Acsot made the 20lb comment he did. He hadn't fought at welter in 7 years. He was severely dehydrated and couldn't add weight after the weigh in. Jim Lampley even said during the fight Oscar looked like a dead man in the ring.

Hagler isn't in the same discussion as Mayweather when it comes to best fighters of all time. Hagler was a great middleweight, but he got his ass whooped by Sugar Ray Leonard because boxers beat brawlers.

I'll watch Pac vs May bc that will be a GREAT fight. I favor May 60-40. Quote that.

 

Originally Posted by slizza420

If Manny and Mayweather ever fight, I'm not even going to watch it. Neither of these fighters interest me.

Marvelous Marvin Hagler, Terrible Terry Norris, Gerald McClellen, Julio Cesar Chavez, etc. those were real warriors!!!! Mayweather and Pac make me sick. LOLOLOLOLOL @ Hagler EVER dodging ANYONE. Boxing has been dead for 12 years or so.

The fact that people continue to pay tons of $$$ to watch Mayweather fight is puzzling to me. He is extremely boring to watch. It's like watching a lesser version of Sugar Ray Leonard.

Sugar Ray ran from Hagler the entire fight. It was painful to watch. Hagler is my fav fighter of ALL TIME.

So you didn't watch the fight last night? It was anything but boring. Also, to call a sport in which a fighter is able to make $40MM dead is a bit hilarious. Oh noes, Albert Pujols, A-Rod, and Prince Fielder have contracts worth over $200MM; baseball is dead.

 

Originally Posted by HeyNiceAscot

Hagler isn't in the same discussion as Mayweather when it comes to best fighters of all time. Hagler was a great middleweight, but he got his ass whooped by Sugar Ray Leonard because boxers beat brawlers.

I'll watch Pac vs May bc that will be a GREAT fight. I favor May 60-40. Quote that.

Opening line of a Mayweather/Pacquiao fight? I say Mayweather -150.

 

Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd

predicting outcomes on a fight that will never happen seems pointless...

watched the fight last night. god, boxing sucks. nothing fucking happened. was not entertained. sport desperately needs some good heavyweight rivalries and some fucking knock outs.

I don't need knockouts to be entertained by boxing. I'm more impressed by slick movement and precise/sharp punches. Knockouts are part of the sport, but they don't make the sport.

Watched UFC on Fox then flipped to this piece of trash on HBO. Fell asleep halfway thru the mayweather snoozefest. Call me when Tyson gets back in the ring.

No way Mayweather is -150 vs Pac. That may be what the actual odds of the fight should be, but Vegas knows people hate Mayweather and will bet Manny out of spite, plus Pacquiao has a huge passionate fan base as mentioned. When this fight was in talks 2 years ago? Mayweather opened at -130 and after all the talk back and forth about steroids and blood tests where it seemed Mayweather was the one ducking Pacquiao the line moved to +115 Mayweather and -115/120ish Pac. I think Mayweather is the better fighter and would beat Pacquiao but the fight is very exciting because of their styles with Floyd being very happy with being defensive and Manny being very happy to throw punch after punch and get into brawls.

 

Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd

well, you are probably a purist boxing fan. the majority of people watching these fights are not... if you think boxing doesn't need some good heavyweight rivalries to improve its current stance, I don't know what to tell you. shit sucks. not many people enjoy watching 150 lb dudes dance around and barely hit each other.

Exactly this. I can respect Mayweather, Roy Jones Jr, Hopkins etc. But there are dozens of fighters I would rather see. I respect the San Antonio Spurs of the past decade, doesn't make them entertaining.

I'd watch a Pacman fight over Mayweather any day of the week