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Angels lookin good lately gamma. Trout is going to rape souls and Trumbo has been pretty damn solid eh. Vernon Wells also homers every other game, wtf is going on here. Look out Rangers
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To be fair, the Angels were playing ridiculously below expectation offensively earlier in the season. They hit way below expectation with runners in scoring position. While the Wells trade may have been retarded, there's just no way he was going to continue to hit .180 on pace for only 13 HR's. The same could be said for Torii Hunter. There's just no way he was going to finish the season hitting .220. Trumbo is certainly making a push for AL ROY. If the season ended today, the award clearly goes to Pineda, but if he continues to have outings like he did tonight in Anaheim the award is Trumbo's. If the Angels can score runs, I think they're the favorites to win the AL West because of their big pitching advantage.
Edited By: gamma21 Jul 10th, 2011 at 08:33 AM -
Why is it unlikely that the Angels will continue to hit? It seems more probable than Wells hitting .180 and Hunter hitting .220. Also, which aces look like they're going to be put on the market this year? I'm not seeing anything substantial unless the A's decide to deal Cahill, which makes no sense or if the Dodgers lose their minds and deal Kershaw. I see some possible #3-#5 guys being available, but I don't really see any legit impact arms becoming available. Looks like the Rangers might have to look within if they want to add a legit arm. They have a couple options in Martin Perez or Robbie Erlin.
Edited By: gamma21 Jul 10th, 2011 at 08:56 AM -
yeah I'm just talking shit... you know more about both teams than I do really. Actually, if the Rangers can't get a Kershaw or Cahill caliber guy, then maybe they don't make a move... they actually have 4 possible playoff starters if Ogando holds up, since Harrison has been pretty steady... and Hunter now looks to be the setup guy. But if they lost one arm, they would be hurting because Holland cannot be a playoff starter, and you can't take a chance at this point on the younger arms either.
Edited By: resilient Jul 10th, 2011 at 09:59 AM
You're probably right, it's setting up to be a pretty good race. -
Edited By: gamma21 Jul 20th, 2011 at 04:37 AMSick sample size. He's been pretty unlucky with a .176 BAbip so far and 24 AB's isn't anywhere near what one would need to see to get an accurate gauge on a young player. I think the Angels have already said he would be sent back down once Bourjos returns from his hammy injury no matter how well he played. Bourjos is set to come off the DL on July 23rd, so Trout should be sent back down shortly.Originally Posted by Luho
Kid's struggling so far...Just glad I wasn't the one sticking him in my lineup while he went 3-24 and put up a .125 batting average with 7 K's so far. Maybe he'll turn it around, but what kind of time frame are we looking at for sending the 19 year old back to the minors if he keeps this up?
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Thanks for that info.
Originally Posted by gamma21
Sick sample size. He's been pretty unlucky with a .176 BAbip so far and 24 AB's isn't anywhere near what one would need to see to get an accurate gauge on a young player. I think the Angels have already said he would be sent back down once Bourjos returns from his hammy injury no matter how well he played. Bourjos is set to come off the DL on July 23rd, so Trout should be sent back down shortly.
I nowhere said I thought he was failure (referring to your "sick sample size" comment). I was only stating what has happened so far and that I am glad I wasn't the one jumping at him for insta-results (assuming your not in a deep keeper league).
The Angels are in a race and can't afford to give him too much time to produce if they want to stay in the race. But sending him back down after Bourjos comes back makes sense to me. -
Huh? The Angels are a much better team with Trout in CF instead of Wells or Hunter. Trout was called up because there weren't any other people within their system that could step in and play plus defense like Peter Bourjos in CF. The Angels obviously wanted to replace one of the best defensive CF's in the game with another guy that could get to pretty much everything.
Originally Posted by Luho
Thanks for that info.
I nowhere said I thought he was failure (referring to your "sick sample size" comment). I was only stating what has happened so far and that I am glad I wasn't the one jumping at him for insta-results (assuming your not in a deep keeper league).
The Angels are in a race and can't afford to give him too much time to produce if they want to stay in the race. But sending him back down after Bourjos comes back makes sense to me. -
Gamma, I'm not comparing Trout defensively to Hunter or Wells. Why the hell are you trying to make an argument out of it? I just wanted to know when he was getting shipped back down if he continued to struggle at the plate. You answered the question, why argue when I'm not even arguing anything with you?
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I was just explaining why they would let him continue to make most of the starts in CF until Bourjos comes back. You said they cannot afford to keep putting him out there and I was explaining why you were wrong.
Originally Posted by Luho
Gamma, I'm not comparing Trout defensively to Hunter or Wells. Why the hell are you trying to make an argument out of it? I just wanted to know when he was getting shipped back down if he continued to struggle at the plate. You answered the question, why argue when I'm not even arguing anything with you?
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Gotcha...I'd go on to say that they cannot afford to let him out there if he keeps up batting below the Mendoza line---but I'm not going to argue that b/c it just depends on if you want to sacrifice that much offense for above average defense...Not my cup of tea, but it's all good.
I never intended it to sound like they couldn't afford to keep him out there until the 23rd (when Bourjos is eligible to come back). They can definitely afford to give him a few more days. (even though they sat him tonight). I would just be hesitant to keep him out there on a daily basis for the end of the year if he stays below .200.
It's fine tho, I'm not an Angels follower. In all seriousness, thanks for the insight Gamma. -
.389/.450/.778 slash line since being called back up. The Angels are also 13-2 in games started by Trout. Hopefully Scioscia will give him regular AB's.
We have a race. -
This is the dumbest prediction I've ever seen. With about a month left you expect him to hit 8-10 homers? So what you're saying is he was up the full year with 6 months you see him hitting 48-60 HR? Yeah, nice prediction.
Originally Posted by gamma21
8-10 HR's seems realistic to me for a 6'2'' 220lb guy that has already hit 9 in a terrible hitters park in AA. His slugging % should be pretty good considering how many doubles and triples he's capable of hitting. I don't think a .290 average is being too overly optimistic considering the advanced approach he has at the plate. We're talking about a kid with a .950 OPS as by far the youngest player in the Texas League (AA). If you don't expect all that much from Trout, then there's no way you could expect anything from any prospect called up from the minor leagues.
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Yeah, sweet play he made last night in right field. Runners on 2nd and 3rd with 1 out. Pop fly to Trout in SHALLOW right field. He catches it with a head of steam, pump fakes 3 times and then throws to 3rd base, and still didn't get the guy at 3rd. He is not ready.
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Another level. I love it.
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Agreed, but that has nothing to do with him being ready or not. Also, apparently when he came up with the ball, Aybar started yelling three, three, three! With as much love as Scioscia gets, he sure sucks balls when it comes to playing inferior veterans over superior young players. No Trout in the lineup tonight, so a struggling Bobby Abreu can get the start tonight. I'm not sure why you would bring Weaver and Santana back on short rest, if you're going to pencil in an inferior lineup.
Edited By: gamma21 Aug 29th, 2011 at 12:08 AM -
Edited By: gillabong Aug 29th, 2011 at 02:39 AMYou can't be putting Tyler Chatwood out there with no wild card up for grabs, it makes sense to me.Originally Posted by resilient
Yeah Lewis doesn't look good, but that's not really the point. I was really surprised that he went with 3 days rest for those guys, especially in the heat.
How did your ace do out there last night?
Reason: Chatsworth, Chatwood whatev -
Going on short rest was fine and it worked out last night. Scioscia did a horrible job managing tonight. The starting lineup he penciled in tonight was brutal and his bullpen management was horrid. There's absolutely no reason to bring Weaver back out to pitch the 7th with him already throwing 100 pitches and struggling by Weaver standards in that heat. Texas played well tonight, but Scioscia didn't do the Angels or their fans any favors.
Edited By: gamma21 Aug 29th, 2011 at 04:14 AM
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