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Was recently talking with a buddy of mine who moved out to Colorado how it was so easy for him to find a job, and he basically said because he has a shit ton of certifications from Cisco. He mainly does networking so I'm sure his company is very specific to that technology. I'm currently just hanging out around home and bartending throughout the week so I have plenty of time to pursue certifications if I chose to do so. I've never really used my degree, but want to get into the IT field wherever I end up, specifically with a focus in network and security administration type of thing. My question I guess would be, which certifications are the best for this field? I know the biggest is obv Microsoft but I feel that might be a little diluted in the job market. A few of them seem very easy to get though (MCTS in particular) to the point where you can buy full on study guides on line and pass each exam. Total cost for 2 certifications looks like it's be right around $2k or so, which isn't bad if it happens to get me a job.
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MCITP was really what I was looking towards. Full certification is only like 2 exams beyond what I was planning on doing short-term, but it encompasses like 4 certifications along the way. I just don't want to have that be super commonplace on a bunch of resumes because everyones like "Ohhhh MS certification!"
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Why would you take such a huge life risk in IT? You really think this computer fad is going to last forever?
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Depends on what you want to do.
If you want to do System Administration/Engineering I would go with MCSE or MCITP. MCITP is not really that much of an attention getter to be honest.
If you want to Network Admin work/Engineering then most common/standard is CCNA. People with their CCIE tend to bank though.
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In this day and age, no job last forever. Average times a person changes careers in their life time is around 5 times. So there is nothing wrong with gaining IT experience.
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Cisco certs are good. Oracle is another good one. I just have a lowly CS degree, but have been talking about getting my Oracle cert (although I may be moving away from being a developer soon).
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I have never used an Oracle application in my life. Ever. Odd?
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No-Oracle is huge in Enterprise level software packages for large companies/government agencies. Not so much on the random pc'er kind of things.
However, in the IT world they are everywhere and eat up companies all day long. Also for someone to network engineering or administration Oracle isn't really in that game. -
I don't think certs hold as much weight as they used to, at least the one's from Microsoft. If you have a bunch of certs but no experience, then you will have a tough time finding a job. Get a job first, then worry about the certifications.
Originally Posted by IbizaCF3
Was recently talking with a buddy of mine who moved out to Colorado how it was so easy for him to find a job, and he basically said because he has a shit ton of certifications from Cisco. He mainly does networking so I'm sure his company is very specific to that technology. I'm currently just hanging out around home and bartending throughout the week so I have plenty of time to pursue certifications if I chose to do so. I've never really used my degree, but want to get into the IT field wherever I end up, specifically with a focus in network and security administration type of thing. My question I guess would be, which certifications are the best for this field? I know the biggest is obv Microsoft but I feel that might be a little diluted in the job market. A few of them seem very easy to get though (MCTS in particular) to the point where you can buy full on study guides on line and pass each exam. Total cost for 2 certifications looks like it's be right around $2k or so, which isn't bad if it happens to get me a job.
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I'm an IT recruiter and certs help but bluefin is correct. Getting a job will be difficult without experience. You may have to go the helpdesk/desktop support route to start. Maybe there is more demand in your area.
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Originally Posted by DonkDon
I'm an IT recruiter and certs help but bluefin is correct. Getting a job will be difficult without experience. You may have to go the helpdesk/desktop support route to start. Maybe there is more demand in your area.
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Certs can never hurt but get experience. Maybe donkdon would have better perspective but it seems like companies are looking for jack of all trades rather than "just a cisco guy". I would suggest diversifying your knowledge as much a possible. Cisco is still cisco but it seems like we have been replacing cisco devices with new alternatives the last couple of years, mainly for pricing.
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Typically people do want you to wear multiple hats. There are always specific opportunities regarding Cisco but they are typically for more senior guys. Certs are never a bad idea but I rarely see them being something that stops someone from getting a job. With a lack of experience I would recommend getting a few certs. Location wise, where are you going to start your search?
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Currently in Cleveland w/ my ultimate goal either being in Columbus or Raleigh, NC. Pretty open to anything if the right opportunity pops up however.
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FWIW F running it, selling it is where the money is at.
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Certs are good, but as has been said, MS certs are a dime a dozen. I'm not saying it won't help get a job, but an MS cert alone is not good enough. If you're looking into networking and security, Cisco and the CISSP are the industry standards, and they are pretty tough tests. The CCNA is kind of easy, but you have to have real world experience working with routers and switches or you won't pass the test. I am currently working on my VMWare cert, which is a beast of a test. IMO, the best way to break into the industry is to get experience, any kind of experience you can get. Degrees and certs are good, but nothing beats experience. You have to start on the bottom rung and work your way up. Look for a help desk or tech job and then start your climb. Once you have your foot in the door, you might decide that you want to specialize in something else. Make friends with the network or sys admin at the company and pick his brain. That's the way to go. I live in Colorado and there are definitely a lot of tech jobs around town, that's for sure.
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I did a Monster search for keywords "Help Desk", within 20 miles of Cleveland, posted within the last 2 weeks. A whopping 14 results with only one of them being for a true help desk position (With a minimum of 3 years in a help desk environment required.) All the rest were for some pretty serious, specified roles. Am I just in a really shitty area?
Small sample size, but I read Twysted's response and got curious -
Check out Charlotte, St. Louis, and Ft. Lauderdale. We have offices there. I personally love Charlotte.
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Not sure if their hq or 2nd biggest center is here but i hear its large. I hear they are a great company to work for. Really taking off.
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Try getting in touch with local tech recruiting agencies like the one Donk works for. I used one for the first few years of my career. Starting to study for cert tests isn't going to hurt while you're looking. It might even help set yourself apart from other applicants when you do find a good one. Are you technical at all? CompTIA certs are a decent place to start for entry level if you have zero experience.
Originally Posted by IbizaCF3
I did a Monster search for keywords "Help Desk", within 20 miles of Cleveland, posted within the last 2 weeks. A whopping 14 results with only one of them being for a true help desk position (With a minimum of 3 years in a help desk environment required.) All the rest were for some pretty serious, specified roles. Am I just in a really shitty area?
Small sample size, but I read Twysted's response and got curious -
I'd apply anyways no matter what the experience requirement is. Worst case: You don't get a call for an interview.
Originally Posted by IbizaCF3
I did a Monster search for keywords "Help Desk", within 20 miles of Cleveland, posted within the last 2 weeks. A whopping 14 results with only one of them being for a true help desk position (With a minimum of 3 years in a help desk environment required.) All the rest were for some pretty serious, specified roles. Am I just in a really shitty area?
Small sample size, but I read Twysted's response and got curious -
I remember when VM Ware first came onto the scene. We used it a lot to run Windows on our Linux boxes in our apartment (unfortunately, there were some things that simply required Windows back then, although we did most of our coursework coding in Linux).
At the time, it was buggy and slow, but still cool to play around with. I had one system that was dual boot Windows 2k/Linux and another straight Linux with VM Ware to run a Win2k virtual machine. Fun times. -
I'm pretty sure times have changed, except for the fact that some things simply require Windows still today. VMWare is the shit. I just started implementing it over the past month or so. I have 75 physical servers that I'm consolidating down to 3 ESXi hosts. I have a GINORMOUS 90TB SAN attached that I'm using for shared storage across all the VMs. Not that I'm looking for a new job, but that VMWare cert is going to up my value by a lot. It's a very respected cert in today's day and age.
Originally Posted by bwbw80
I remember when VM Ware first came onto the scene. We used it a lot to run Windows on our Linux boxes in our apartment (unfortunately, there were some things that simply required Windows back then, although we did most of our coursework coding in Linux).
At the time, it was buggy and slow, but still cool to play around with. I had one system that was dual boot Windows 2k/Linux and another straight Linux with VM Ware to run a Win2k virtual machine. Fun times. -
Any of you guys using Fio for your servers? Im a big fan of their potential. Fb and apple are their two biggest customers.
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A company would be nuts to not use VMware now a days when replacing multiple servers.
At the time, it was buggy and slow
Probably not a big deal but watch using a VM on anything that requires scheduling or time such as time clocks or PBX systems.I just started implementing it over the past month or so











