Finally we can get rid of all the liberals who are hiding behind tenure and replace them with good Christian conservative teachers. Look for Missouri to be a haven for decent common sense folk soon.

I went to Syracuse U for 7 years. In the end of my "education", I decided that it was a waste of time.

Lotsa weak bs so called teachers in the system. FFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU image or somethin.

tek, yeah I lived in KC for 3 years as a kid. It was during the 70s and they were busing black and white kids to integrate the schools. Interesting times.

 

Originally Posted by SpankyHamm

If I were to use an analogy (as I sit here watching the Spurs whoop the Heat's candy asses), if an NBA team were a school, then everyone would have to play at least 8 minutes and nobody could play more than 25 minutes. We have to give everyone a chance to play no matter how bad they are, but we also can't let the best players play too much because it will make the bad players feel bad.

you are so right dude.

no one can fail anymore so they just keep lowering the standards

But you most agree that there are some teachers who take advantage of tenure and become bad teachers.

50% of teachers are overpaid. I was just talking about this today, teachers should be paid by performance. If you can get kids to improve, you deserve better pay. If kids stay at same level, so should your pay, etc.

Couple of people I know that have become teachers are lazy stoners, looking to have 3 months off a year.\

Just another example of government workers not wanting to be compensated by performance. They just want to get their years in and retire. Fucking joke.

 

Originally Posted by BigJohn804

i want to believe this is a level, but then again, i'm a pretty optimistic guy.

Lol, at getting paid by how long you work somewhere.

 

Originally Posted by LDM

yeah, students have nothing at stake from

um what stake do they have? universities go by act/sat/gpa not these standardized tests right?

the TCAP is a requirement of passing to the next grade level here.

 

Originally Posted by Autolobotomist

This thread is mind blowing.

um am i missing something auto because when i was in hs these standardized tests didn't matter to me i wrote a bunch of crap down then went to sleep. (i miss hs i got a lot of sleep then)

Why the hell would anyone want to be a teacher? To pull down that sweet $40k a year? You have to deal with a bunch of punk ass kids whos parents don't give two shits about helping and often see the teacher as the enemy. The kid comes home complaining about how the teacher doesn't like them and the parents buy into it. Then we want to blame the teachers for low test scores of kid that don't try and parents that don't care. I am sure making teaching an even worse job will encourage better teachers to step up, thats a good solution.

 

Originally Posted by Passiveplay

Why the hell would anyone want to be a teacher? To pull down that sweet $40k a year? You have to deal with a bunch of punk ass kids whos parents don't give two shits about helping and often see the teacher as the enemy. The kid comes home complaining about how the teacher doesn't like them and the parents buy into it. Then we want to blame the teachers for low test scores of kid that don't try and parents that don't care. I am sure making teaching an even worse job will encourage better teachers to step up, thats a good solution.

Wait till you have kids, and realize how many lame teachers there are.

wait till you open your mind and realize how many amazing(ly underappreciated) teachers there are.

 

Originally Posted by coachstove

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This reminded me of the Rand Paul comment thread that I started last week. If this would pass, which i don't think that it will, my salary and job security would be dependent on how well teenagers score on a standardized test that has nothing at stake for them. I would also be competing with my fellow teachers for the top students and top salaries. GG sharing of effective teaching strategies. Hello super high turnover and teacher shortage.

Welcome to the real world..........

You have to perform to keep your job what a novel idea.

Those that enter the teaching profession generally do so for the right reasons - they love kids, they want to make a difference. But the teaching "ideal" is much different than the reality. They become babysitters, they become a third parent, they become social workers - and they are left with little time to do actual teaching. So what happens is one of three things: they adapt and become good teachers within the system, they quit or they resign themselves to being in a bad situation - and it's the last group that become the bad teachers.

The problem with tenure is that they can't do anything about the bad teachers once they reach a certain level. But the other problem is - there's nobody to replace these teachers. Young people now realize that teaching is not the same career path that it used to be. The pay is relatively low compared to jobs available to others with 4 year degrees. You hear about teachers having to buy supplies for their kids because budgets are cut, and this is also now the generation who went to school during the standardized testing and the "no child left behind" era. So they go in a different direction. And schools have no choice but to keep the bad teachers because they can't get anyone else to replace them.

One other quick story about some of the ridiculousness of union as it relates to teachers. Granted this was 30 years ago, but it's probably the basis for me disliking union so much. My father (the teacher) was part of the local teachers union who was negotiating the next contract with the city. Obviously they didn't agree on what the average raise would be for the next contract. According to my father, he thought the correct number was 11-12%, but the city was only offering 2%. The two sides agreed to binding arbitration - basically they present their sides to an arbitrator and he picks the best of the two sides. The city presented it's 2%, but then the union presented a figure of 17% (instead of what they thought the right number was they went higher). The arbitrator came up with a number of 11%. Since this was closer to the teachers figure of 17%, the teachers figure won and my father essentially got a 17% raise instead of the right 11%. Even though I was maybe 10-11 years old, in my "black and white" logical mind, I knew this was fucked up.