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  1. ripomatic ripomatic is offline

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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 3:41pm)

    God please let someone sign Oliver....worst type A ever.
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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 5:46pm) in reply to ripomatic

    lol good luck with getting rid of him for compensation.

    hopefully JD clears that situation up... only cost the Rangers the Series since Wash had that option to go to him.
     
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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 8:49pm) in reply to resilient

    Hell, I'd be shocked if Oliver even declines arbitration, enjoy Texas!
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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 8:55pm) in reply to Xmas32

    Hasn't he been one of, if not the best, lefthanded relief pitcher in MLB over the past four years? Why wouldn't someone want him?
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    Nov 2nd, 2011 (11/2/2011 10:34pm) in reply to Dyzalot

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    Hasn't he been one of, if not the best, lefthanded relief pitcher in MLB over the past four years? Why wouldn't someone want him?

    No way in hell the Rangers offer him arbitration and if they do for some reason there is no way in hell he declines.
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 12:26am) in reply to jasmith85

     
    Originally Posted by jasmith85 View Post

    No way in hell the Rangers offer him arbitration and if they do for some reason there is no way in hell he declines.

    Sooooo this.

    rangers finally released darren O fucking day!
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 12:29am) in reply to Dyzalot

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    Hasn't he been one of, if not the best, lefthanded relief pitcher in MLB over the past four years? Why wouldn't someone want him?

    He's a type A FA. Any team signing him would have to give up their 1st round pick to do so (unless they have a top 15 pick, in which case they give up their 2nd rounder). I'm pretty sure that's how it works at least.
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 12:34am) in reply to Mkind16

     
    Originally Posted by Mkind16 View Post

    He's a type A FA. Any team signing him would have to give up their 1st round pick to do so (unless they have a top 15 pick, in which case they give up their 2nd rounder). I'm pretty sure that's how it works at least.

    Yeah. Maybe there needs to be a rule that any pitcher with less than 100 IP can't be a "type A" FA. No situational reliever should cost a team that high of a pick in order to sign.
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 12:48am) in reply to Dyzalot

    No team will be stooopid enough to give up a first-rounder for a situational lefty, which is all Oliver's been for years now.
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 1:29am) in reply to Dyzalot

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    Yeah. Maybe there needs to be a rule that any pitcher with less than 100 IP can't be a "type A" FA. No situational reliever should cost a team that high of a pick in order to sign.

    You've identified the problem with the compensation system. Now if MLB can figure it out...
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 1:50am) in reply to hushpuckena

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    Yeah. Maybe there needs to be a rule that any pitcher with less than 100 IP can't be a "type A" FA. No situational reliever should cost a team that high of a pick in order to sign.

    almost all closers and top set-up guys never reach 100 innings. Most are type "A" FA worthy.

     
    Originally Posted by hushpuckena View Post

    No team will be stooopid enough to give up a first-rounder for a situational lefty, which is all Oliver's been for years now.

    logic says your right but it happens a lot.
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 3:00am) in reply to ripomatic

     
    Originally Posted by ripomatic View Post

    almost all closers and top set-up guys never reach 100 innings. Most are type "A" FA worthy.

    Worthy? They are probably less valuable than most type "B" & "C" position player FA's.
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 3:04am) in reply to Dyzalot

    There are no more type C position player FA's fyi.
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 3:11am) in reply to tkeat1653

    Happy that CC re-upped already, and Cashman just got locked up as well. Nice to go into November with some stability.

    Not sure what arm I'd like them to go after - CJ Wilson scares me a bit, but there isn't much out there as far as I know.

    Wonder what's going on with Johan Santana - should be interesting to see if he gets healthy, and if he does, what the Mets try to do ; they owe him $24 million for the 2012 season, but 2013 is club option.
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 3:16am) in reply to tkeat1653

     
    Originally Posted by tkeat1653 View Post

    There are no more type C position player FA's fyi.

    They should be reinstated for pitchers with less than 100 innings and less than ten saves. Really, do teams even need compensation for a bullpen guy other than their closer?
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 3:16am) in reply to Dyzalot

     
    Originally Posted by Dyzalot View Post

    Yeah. Maybe there needs to be a rule that any pitcher with less than 100 IP can't be a "type A" FA. No situational reliever should cost a team that high of a pick in order to sign.

    I like this with some addition like less than 100 IP in the previous 2 seasons just so injured starters don't get tossed in.

    I've been developing quite the Yu Darvish crush through youtube videos the past couple weeks. I'm not going to say it will be a steal for whatever team signs him since he will probably cost about 100m, but I think there's a very good chance that he exceeds that in value. He's 24 and he's basically Zack Greinke right now.
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 3:20am) in reply to kellykip

    Market's gonna crash for CJ, and I think the Rangers know it. His post-season just amplified concerns about his sustainability... don't think the Yanks will bid high on him.

    I read today the Yanks might try to acquire Buehrle
     
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 3:26am) in reply to keylight

     
    Originally Posted by keylight View Post

    I've been developing quite the Yu Darvish crush through youtube videos the past couple weeks. I'm not going to say it will be a steal for whatever team signs him since he will probably cost about 100m, but I think there's a very good chance that he exceeds that in value. He's 24 and he's basically Zack Greinke right now.

    waiting for this to heat up, especially with the lack of quality starters this year.
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 3:38am) in reply to ripomatic

    Burhrle would be nice

    I like cj actually just wanna save the
    Money for next year when some studs hit the market... Or just get em both
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 3:43am) in reply to AMARTIN1181

    The Cardinals don't have room for him, but I'm pretty sure Buehrle has talked about wanting to pitch in STL for a few years now. He's from St. Charles, MO, and grew up a Cardinal fan IIRC.

    And there is NO WAY I'd sign CJ Wilson to a long-term deal this offseason...

     
    Originally Posted by ripomatic View Post

    waiting for this to heat up, especially with the lack of quality starters this year.

    I've read the Blue Jays have an in with him...this true?

    It'd be pretty hard to invest 100M into another Japanese product, considering how badly they've fared in MLB. But this kid's stuff looks downright filthy.
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 3:44am) in reply to JRoth15

     
    Originally Posted by JRoth15 View Post

    The Cardinals don't have room for him, but I'm pretty sure Buehrle has talked about wanting to pitch in STL for a few years now. He's from St. Charles, MO, and grew up a Cardinal fan IIRC.

    And there is NO WAY I'd sign CJ Wilson to a long-term deal this offseason...



    I've read the Blue Jays have an in with him...this true?

    It'd be pretty hard to invest 100M into another Japanese product, considering how badly they've fared in MLB. But this kid's stuff looks downright filthy.

    If the Cards want to sign Pujols, there's no way they're signing anyone other than Pujols this offseason.
     
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 3:44am) in reply to gamma21

    I don't think Buerhle would be a great fit in the AL East
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 3:45am) in reply to JRoth15

    I could see Darvish winding up in Baltimore, if he actually ends up playing in the US this year.
    Edited By: gamma21 Nov 3rd, 2011 at 03:46 AM
     
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 3:46am) in reply to gamma21

    I don't understand how this works for Oliver now? Seems to me like he is basically fucked and unsignable? What are his options at this point?
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 3:48am) in reply to LostProphets

     
    Originally Posted by LostProphets View Post

    I don't understand how this works for Oliver now? Seems to me like he is basically fucked and unsignable? What are his options at this point?

    Not at all. He has to be offered arbitration and decline for the signing team to have to give up a draft pick. Oliver isn't going anywhere else anyways. If the Rangers don't want Oliver back, then he'll definitely retire. The Angels let him go without arbitration because Oliver wanted to play for Texas since his family lives near the ballpark.
     
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 3:51am) in reply to gamma21

     
    Originally Posted by gamma21 View Post

    If the Cards want to sign Pujols, there's no way they're signing anyone other than Pujols this offseason.

    That's why I said they don't have room for him.

    1) Carp, 2) Waino (probably won't be good until 2nd half of 2012, but w/e), 3) Buehrle, 4) Garcia, 5) Lohse

    If they could somehow bring Pujols back with it, that would be an unbelievable roster...they won't get a "hometown" discount from Pujols this time, but I bet Buehrle would be willing to deal a bit to play for the team he's loved his whole life.
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 3:56am) in reply to JRoth15

    Fuck this shit. I had hope at the All-Star break. Ugh, I'm such an idiot.
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 4:01am) in reply to Pghfan987

    Who would you rather have: Albert Pujols at his current age of 35, or Mike Trout at 20 years old.
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 4:05am) in reply to kellykip

    Where is Arron Harrang gonna end up? I doubt Padres resign him and he pitched well this year.


    Harang, who had his $5 million option declined, went 14-7 with a 3.64 ERA last season for the last-place Padres
     
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    Nov 3rd, 2011 (11/3/2011 4:09am) in reply to kellykip

     
    Originally Posted by kellykip View Post

    Who would you rather have: Albert Pujols at his current age of 35, or Mike Trout at 20 years old.

    Pujols will be 32 next year...
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