Which one is more dangerous OT?

Drunk Driver

An armed robber can sometimes be reasoned with.

 

Originally Posted by dams

I'm going with the guy with a gun.

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Nope, drunk driver

 

Originally Posted by wwe_freak_88

 

Originally Posted by Mr323

drunk driver by a mile.

yup

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Originally Posted by Mr323

drunk driver by a mile.

Drunk driver by a landslide. But they're both scumbags.

wow - armed robber and it isn't even close.

 

Originally Posted by Jennifear

I'd imagine the answer is the armed robber, but I've never seen any stats comparing the two.

I'd assume that a greater percentage of armed robberies result in death as opposed to incidents of drunk driving....but I might be wrong.

Is this a level?? I respect you and your math abilities and reasoning probably more than anyone I "eknow", your answer shocks me.

Now that I think about it, this is a USA biased answer on my part. We have a real problem with it here. Let alone the senseless deaths, lots of injuries as well, lots of lives changed. I, from a US perspective, stand by my answer.

 

Originally Posted by Jennifear

I'd imagine the answer is the armed robber, but I've never seen any stats comparing the two.

I'd assume that a greater percentage of armed robberies result in death as opposed to incidents of drunk driving....but I might be wrong.

Drinking and driving fatalities by state in 2006 (ranked by highest number of alcohol related deaths):
<table width="440" border="1" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr bgcolor="#cccccc"><td rowspan="2">State
</td><td rowspan="2">Total Fatalities
</td><td colspan="2">Alcohol-Related Fatalities


</td></tr><tr bgcolor="#cccccc"><td>Number
</td><td>Percent
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Texas
</td><td>3,466
</td><td>1,544
</td><td>45%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">California
</td><td>4,229
</td><td>1,509
</td><td>36%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Florida
</td><td>3,363
</td><td>1,111
</td><td>33%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Pennsylvania
</td><td>1,517
</td><td>556
</td><td>37%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Illinois
</td><td>1,254
</td><td>540
</td><td>43%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Georgia
</td><td>1,688
</td><td>539
</td><td>32%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Arizona
</td><td>1,280
</td><td>502
</td><td>39%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">North Carolina
</td><td>1,558
</td><td>490
</td><td>31%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">New York
</td><td>1,454
</td><td>483
</td><td>33%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Tennessee
</td><td>1,286
</td><td>478
</td><td>37%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">South Carolina
</td><td>1,037
</td><td>477
</td><td>46%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Missouri
</td><td>1,087
</td><td>469
</td><td>43%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Ohio
</td><td>1,235
</td><td>451
</td><td>37%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Alabama
</td><td>1,206
</td><td>445
</td><td>37%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Louisiana
</td><td>982
</td><td>425
</td><td>43%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Michigan
</td><td>1,081
</td><td>390
</td><td>36%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Mississippi
</td><td>911
</td><td>358
</td><td>39%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Wisconsin
</td><td>722
</td><td>352
</td><td>49%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Virginia
</td><td>961
</td><td>347
</td><td>36%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Indiana
</td><td>896
</td><td>290
</td><td>32%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">New Jersey
</td><td>771
</td><td>285
</td><td>37%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Washington
</td><td>630
</td><td>269
</td><td>43%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Kentucky
</td><td>913
</td><td>257
</td><td>28%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Arkansas
</td><td>665
</td><td>245
</td><td>37%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Oklahoma
</td><td>765
</td><td>243
</td><td>32%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Maryland
</td><td>651
</td><td>235
</td><td>36%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Colorado
</td><td>533
</td><td>207
</td><td>39%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Oregon
</td><td>477
</td><td>177
</td><td>37%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Minnesota
</td><td>493
</td><td>175
</td><td>36%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Nevada
</td><td>432
</td><td>168
</td><td>39%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Kansas
</td><td>466
</td><td>162
</td><td>35%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Massachusetts
</td><td>422
</td><td>159
</td><td>38%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">New Mexico
</td><td>484
</td><td>155
</td><td>32%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">West Virginia
</td><td>408
</td><td>155
</td><td>38%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Iowa
</td><td>439
</td><td>142
</td><td>32%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Connecticut
</td><td>301
</td><td>121
</td><td>40%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Montana
</td><td>255
</td><td>114
</td><td>45%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Idaho
</td><td>267
</td><td>102
</td><td>38%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Nebraska
</td><td>266
</td><td>86
</td><td>32%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">South Dakota
</td><td>191
</td><td>78
</td><td>41%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Wyoming
</td><td>195
</td><td>78
</td><td>40%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Hawaii
</td><td>160
</td><td>77
</td><td>48%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Maine
</td><td>188
</td><td>70
</td><td>37%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Utah
</td><td>284
</td><td>63
</td><td>22%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">New Hampshire
</td><td>127
</td><td>51
</td><td>40%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Delaware
</td><td>148
</td><td>50
</td><td>34%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">North Dakota
</td><td>111
</td><td>47
</td><td>42%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Rhode Island
</td><td>81
</td><td>37
</td><td>46%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Vermont
</td><td>86
</td><td>28
</td><td>33%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Alaska
</td><td>73
</td><td>23
</td><td>31%
</td></tr><tr height="20"><td height="20">Dist of Columbia
</td><td>37
</td><td>14
</td><td>36%
</td></tr><tr><td>National
</td><td>42,532
</td><td>15,829
</td><td>37%
</td></tr></tbody></table>

I looked up just the armed robbery statistics for texas in 2006 and it was over 1/2 million reported cases. However, couldn't find any information on fatalities. I'd still suspect drunk driving to kill more people per year than armed robbery.

To be honest, 323, it was only a guess.

I'd be surprised to find out that the average number of deaths per 1000 armed robbery incidents were less than the average number of deaths per 1000 drunk driving trips, but I've been surprised before.

edit: After doing a little research, I couldn't find any exact numbers, but it isn't close. Being very generous, someone who commits an armed robbery is at least 40 times as likely to cause a death as someone who drinks and drives home.

So there's no question about it, an armed robber is much, much more dangerous, per incident.

An argument could be made that a drunk driver commits at least 40 times as many infractions as an armed robber, and is therefore more dangerous.

Fair enough Jenn, however again if number of fatalies are near 40 percent by US states because of DD ing and we are not even discussing injuries then wouldn't you say it is far worse?
Intent does not matter.
Ask around, who do you know who has a friend/relative injured or involved in armed robbery....versus a drunk driving incident........here in US it isn't even close.

 

Originally Posted by Mr323

Fair enough Jenn, however again if number of fatalies are near 40 percent by US states because of DD ing and we are not even discussing injuries then wouldn't you say it is far worse?
Intent does not matter.
Ask around, who do you know who has a friend/relative injured or involved in armed robbery....versus a drunk driving incident........here in US it isn't even close.

No question, there are more drunk driving fatalities than armed robbery fatalities, but that doesn't make a single drunk driver a bigger threat to society than a single armed robber. There are just more drunk drivers. I'd say that drunk driving is the bigger problem of the two, but that wasn't what was asked.

 

Originally Posted by Mr323

I'll argue the meaning of threat then, so if the numbers are so far greater on one side, it still less of a threat?
So, you would rather fade a open ended draw opponent all in or a flush draw?

Maybe not the best analogy, but get my point? Happy weekend as well :)

Don't get me wrong. I understand the severity of drunk driving, and it's far-reaching consequences that go much deeper than the 15k or whatever deaths that are caused by it.

And I'm still not sure I'm right. The more I think about it, a drunk driver is likely to commit a lot more infractions than your average armed robber before stopping/getting caught, AND a drunk driver is more likely to repeat after getting caught.

So a single drunk driver might be more dangerous than a single armed robber, even though per incident it's not close.

Happy weekend to you and we can agree on this: F Drunk Driving and Armed Robbery!

 

Originally Posted by mathclub

 

Originally Posted by agpmedia

I looked up just the armed robbery statistics for texas in 2006 and it was over 1/2 million reported cases. However, couldn't find any information on fatalities. I'd still suspect drunk driving to kill more people per year than armed robbery.

i hate people misusing stats.

the question was which is more dangerous. the total number of deaths doesn't mean anything in this context.

ie is it more dangerous to drive a car or jump out of an aeroplane and have your chute not open?? obviously driving a car kills more people. obviously jumping from a plan and having your chute not open is a more dangerous situation to be in.

if you're gonna take the time to go look up stats at least answer the question

this, this, this

figure out how many people drive drunk and how many people commit armed robbery, then the deaths associated with each.

 

Originally Posted by dpottz

 

Originally Posted by mathclub

 

Originally Posted by agpmedia

I looked up just the armed robbery statistics for texas in 2006 and it was over 1/2 million reported cases. However, couldn't find any information on fatalities. I'd still suspect drunk driving to kill more people per year than armed robbery.

i hate people misusing stats.

the question was which is more dangerous. the total number of deaths doesn't mean anything in this context.

ie is it more dangerous to drive a car or jump out of an aeroplane and have your chute not open?? obviously driving a car kills more people. obviously jumping from a plan and having your chute not open is a more dangerous situation to be in.

if you're gonna take the time to go look up stats at least answer the question

this, this, this

figure out how many people drive drunk and how many people commit armed robbery, then the deaths associated with each.

I tried to do this and failed miserably.