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i'm a yankee fan but that's so shady...he should really just let his play make the headlines
http://sports-ak.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=270530114
TORONTO (AP) -- Alex Rodriguez helped the New York Yankees end their five-game losing streak with his bat -- and his mouth.
Rodriguez distracted Toronto third baseman Howie Clark on a key popup late in the game, touching off arguments all over the field, and the Yankees beat the Blue Jays 10-5 Wednesday night.
Rodriguez hit an RBI single with two outs in the ninth that made it 7-5. Jorge Posada followed with a high infield pop and Rodriguez ran hard, cutting between Clark and shortstop John McDonald.
Replays showed Rodriguez shouting something, and Clark backed off at the last second. McDonald was only a few steps behind Clark, but couldn't make the catch and ball dropped for an RBI single.
"That's evidently what happened, he made a noise," Yankees manager Joe Torre said. "It's not like he said, 'I got it."
McDonald started jawing with Rodriguez, and third base umpire Chad Fairchild got between them. Toronto manager John Gibbons came out to argue, and exchanged words with Rodriguez and third base coach Larry Bowa before leaving the field as plate umpire Eric Cooper intervened. Rodriguez stayed on the bag with a smirk. -
It may be shady, but it's definately not against the rules. personally, i think it was pretty clever.
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is it against the rules?
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i didn't say anything about it not being against the rules, which it isn't....but the yankees are UP 7-5 at that point, they aren't even losing
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A-Rod scoring on and off the field this week in Toronto.
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zing
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thank you for a yankee fan being honest.
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This might seem shady because you don't hear of things like this all the time in baseball, but it is not against the rules. In the NBA, players on the bench scream all kinds of shit when someone from the other team is shooting a 3 from the corner right in front of the opposing bench.
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yeah way to act like a hall of famer
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It sets a dangerous precedent though. Calling off balls is necessary to avoid collisions/injury, you really shouldn't fuck with it. Baseball isn't really a game of deception.
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I agree. I'm not agreeing with what he did.
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</td><td>Re(2): more a-rod shenanigans
by emcee21 on 5/30/2007 23:55 </td><td><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td><nobr>
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lol @ baseball not being a game of deception...
that is a joke, right? please tell me it is!
also, that is shady as fuck. the guy is a big leaguer, that yelling at the shortstop thing on the way by is a totally fucking bush league move. -
I'm not saying it's completely devoid of deception, and I'm not talking about shit like lying about taking steroids. I'm talking about things like the balk rules - "fakes" like you pull in basketball and football don't exist in baseball. The procedure of the game is designed to be straightforward and "honest".
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not against the rules at all....
along the same lines as deekin (sp?) someone on a fly ball.
and i hate the fucking Yankee's
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are you all fucking retarded, i didn't say shit about it being against the rules. all i said is that it's unprofessional and the yankees weren't even down they were already winning by 2
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I prefer bolding to using the caps lock. Caps lock is far more annoying.
Arod's not gonna win any sportsman of the year awards for this, but I don't think it was so bad. I'm sure he'll get ripped, cause he's arod and it was a pretty dick move, but this is not even in the same category as the pitchers who put shit on their hands, hats, gloves. Somehow that gets laughed off as "gamesmanship" and a part of the game. -
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by emcee21 on 5/31/2007 00:14 </td><td><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td><nobr>
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you dont pull fakes in baseball? what fakes do they pull in basketball and football that arent pulled in baseball?
I really dont get this, nor do I think it's anything close to true.
baseball is meant to be one of the most deceptive games around, the entire premise of the game revolves around trying to "deceive" or "fool" hitters when you are pitching the ball, which is a pretty big portion of the game. I havent even touched on many other faucets of the game that they use deception during.
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The balk rules severely limit the pitcher in what he can do to deceive the hitter. Also, there's no juking in baseball. There's a straight line you gotta run along.
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This didn't seem so bad to me. Some of the greatest baseball players have done much worse than this - Gaylord Perry throwing the spitter, Ty Cobb digging his spikes into the legs of any infielder who tried to tag him out. The shortstop and 3rd baseman should have been communicating long before A-rod passed by them anyway. Also, they may have been winning at the time, but if you've been watching them you'll know that they could use all the runs they can get. As for baseball not being a game of deception, besides fooling hitters, what about the delayed steal, the fake to 3rd throw to 1st pickoff move, the fake bunt then swing away, the...well, you get the idea. So I don't see anything wrong with this. Although I also didn't have a problem with A-rod slapping the ball out of the glove of whoever it was in '04(?) in the playoff series against the Sox, but people seemed to have a lot to say about that. I think you do whatever you can to win. If something is wrong or against the rules, that's what the umps are there for. If there's something wrong with some action a player takes, there is probably a rule against doing it - baseball has been around long enough to just about see it all.
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there is not a straight line you have to run along, actually.
also, ever hear of any of the following:
curveball
splitfinger
changeup
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im not an arod fan, but this is nothing. As a former baseball player, this shit happens all the time. Baseball is a game, and yelling at a player while he trying to concentrate is part of every sport(pretty much every sport)
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semantics....zzzz
there is something about the spirit of baseball (as opposed to other sports) that makes what a-rod did super shady. call it what you want, copper. -
there's more deception in baseball than there is in golf, where it would be considered way out of line.
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I disagree. The spirit of baseball is much different than what the game has become on the major league level. Baseball players have probably been dirtier athletes than anyone has in any other sports - players have always spiked people, thrown dirt in the shortstop's face when sliding into second base to break up a double play, thrown at batters when a fastball to the head could actually kill a person. That kind of stuff doesn't happen much anymore cause of TV but it's definitely always been a part of the game.
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This was somehow different from everything you mentioned. Obviously the Blue Jays thought so, as did the announcer who said he had never seen anything like it in XX years of playing/watching baseball.
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Actually, there is a straight (with a little wiggle room) line you have to run along. You cannot avoid a tag by running 10 feet out of the basepath. I think you know this but just clarifying.
Also, have you people never been to a baseball game? This kind of stuff happens all the time. It's just like when there's a runner on second and he stops running in between the ball and the shortstop to block the SS's view.
The A-Rod nitpicking must stop. Even if you hate the Yankees, there are so many better topics to be ragging on than A-Rod yelling at a player fielding a ball. It's legal, it happens often, move along. I don't see how this is "bush league." As much as it disgusts me, bashing the payroll-to-wins ratio has to be a much jucier topic than this. -
I am not having an opinion on this thread until BigBoyBunk gives his 2 cents.
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To those that are saying they "played" baseball and that yelling at players is part of the game and happns all the time: what the fuck kind of baseball game were you playing? Yea, there is cheering on your team vocally, which is a big part of the game and one that can often cross the line into trying to rattle or goad the opposition. But yelling "mine" while running behind a third baseman who is camped under an infield fly? Normal and happens all the time? I don't think so. So shady and classic A-Rod.
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Happens all the time. Players yell "mine." Players yell "wall" when a player is close to one hoping to get him to flinch. Pitchers throw at batters. Runners don't slide within arms-reach of second when trying to break-up a DP. Runners on second try to steal signs. The list goes on and on. Such is baseball.
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