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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.1008742
RABAT, Morocco -- Five unemployed Moroccan men set themselves on fire in the capital Rabat as part of widespread demonstrations in the country over the lack of jobs, especially for university graduates, a rights activist said Thursday. Three were burned badly enough to be hospitalized.
Once rare, self-immolation became a tactic of protest in the Middle East and North Africa ever since a vegetable seller in Tunisia set himself on fire in December 2010 to protest police harassment, setting off an uprising that toppled the government and sparked similar movements elsewhere in the region.
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have you seen moraccan women?
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Originally Posted by DAWS
Five unemployed Moroccan men set themselves on fire
Wait, so, not only did none of them die, but 40% of them weren't even hurt enough to be hospitalized? Wtf?Originally Posted by DAWS
Three were burned badly enough to be hospitalized.
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Tibetan monks use self-immolation pretty regularly to protest the Chinese occupation. When they do it they often die, been at least 15 in the past year
Edited By: zeppelinzoso16 Jan 19th, 2012 at 08:01 PM -
Yeah I never really got the whole set yourself on fire thing
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Damnit I'll show em'.
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Obviously they do it because it is the only way they feel they can bring attention to their cause. When people set themselves on fire it becomes an international story, we are talking about it right now and doubt anybody here cares about Morocco. In Tibet if monks continue to do it then it will become more of a story internationally which is exactly what they want, it is a form of protest China does not want to happen and cannot stop--it is potentially effective. It is an extremely controlled environment, how do they get their message out? Not that I condone it, but if somebody is willing to die for their cause it makes quite a statement.
the whole world knows this photo
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for a five man protest they're gonna need more than one fire.
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That particular tactic doesn't sound too bright. Maybe that's why they can't get a job. Just because you're educated doesn't mean you have common sense...
Edited By: ECUgirl Jan 19th, 2012 at 09:23 PM
*And why protest over not having a job? Who's supposed to guarantee you a job? Start your own business. Be proactive. Have enough sense to pour piss out of a boot. I dunno. SMH. -
Anybody bring marshmallows?
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bfactor needs to comment on this.
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Maybe they were and simply misunderstood their parents suggestion of starting a moroccan bbq.
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Edited By: zeppelinzoso16 Jan 19th, 2012 at 09:53 PMNot every country has the framework that provides the opportunity the USA does, very few do. That is why people move here, for the "American Dream". You can't just "start a business" in these countries (not even sure that you can in the US)Originally Posted by ECUgirl
*And why protest over not having a job? Who's supposed to guarantee you a job? Start your own business. Be proactive. Have enough sense to pour piss out of a boot. I dunno. SMH.
You can't use American thought or American standards to judge domestic politics in a foreign undeveloped country -
Well, be that as it may, I doubt setting yourself on fire is a productive way of dealing with it, either. I admit, I don't know a lot about Morocco, but it really surprises me that they lack the freedom to start a business. I'm not saying that they can, just that I'm surprised. I used to work with an interpreter from Morocco and the dude was very educated/intelligent. He spoke like 5 languages. I guess that doesn't have any bearing on anything, but from speaking to him, he seemed to have mostly positive things to say about his country.
Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16
Not every country has the framework that provides the opportunity the USA does, very few do. That is why people move here, for the "American Dream". You can't just "start a business" in these countries (not even sure that you can in the US)
You can't use American thought or American standards to judge domestic politics in a foreign undeveloped country
Isn't that gov't controlled society some type of Utopia for you libs? Sounds pleasant... -
You obviously don't understand. There are reasons why they can't get jobs and it has to do with the lack of freedom.
Originally Posted by ECUgirl
That particular tactic doesn't sound too bright. Maybe that's why they can't get a job. Just because you're educated doesn't mean you have common sense...
*And why protest over not having a job? Who's supposed to guarantee you a job? Start your own business. Be proactive. Have enough sense to pour piss out of a boot. I dunno. SMH.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...044723,00.html -
Edited By: ECUgirl Jan 19th, 2012 at 11:09 PMDid you read my second post in response to zeppelin? I pretty much conceded that very thing...Originally Posted by Dyzalot
You obviously don't understand. There are reasons why they can't get jobs and it has to do with the lack of freedom.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...044723,00.html
And this is what libs want to do to us? Yay. Can't wait for that. Not that the conservatives seem to be much better at this point.
**Interesting article. I couldn't concentrate on it as much as I would've liked, my son was in my ear, but did it say why they confiscated the guy's vegetable cart? What did he do wrong? Just curious. That sucks :( -
the unemployed rate of people setting themselves on fire is at about 100% there!
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Yes but not until after I responded to your first post... I haven't learned to read through a whole thread yet before before wanting to give my opinion on something. :p
Originally Posted by ECUgirl
Did you read my second post in response to zeppelin? I pretty much conceded that very thing...(
Because he was "unlicensed". When laws are applied arbitraily and without consistency it leads to outcomes like this. -
This is a very common mistake. People have a friend, coworker, foreign student etc. You can not come to any conclusions on the avg citizen in that country from most of these encounters. 95% of the time they are somebody from an upper middle class family who had it pretty good in the country they came from. The poor people have little realistic hope of ever getting a job or studying abroad (maybe not even studying at home for that matter). They don't have the means, the opportunity is not available to them. Somebody who speaks multiple languages who is well educated working in a foreign country is not comparable to the average citizen. Every country has well off citizens. One of my friends is Somalian, just talked to her on fb chat a few hours ago. She isn't a standard Somalian, she is from a very elite family otherwise there is no way her family would have been able to escape to Europe when the government came down. Is her family wealthy in Europe? No, they are poor, but they were powerful and very well off in Somalia. Or right now I am in Macau, the Venetian here is notorious for Indian tourist. Many of them are very very wealthy by any standard. They are absolutely nothing like the average Indian who probably doesn't make enough money in a year to come to Macau for a weekend. They live in a completely different world than the average Indian. If you know somebody from a 3rd world country odds are they came from a well off family by that countries standards or they never would have had the opportunity to be in the same room as you in America. It's the people with the money who come here, not the commoner
Edited By: zeppelinzoso16 Jan 19th, 2012 at 11:30 PM -
I actually don't recall having seen this photo. What/when is it from?
Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16
Obviously they do it because it is the only way they feel they can bring attention to their cause. When people set themselves on fire it becomes an international story, we are talking about it right now and doubt anybody here cares about Morocco. In Tibet if monks continue to do it then it will become more of a story internationally which is exactly what they want, it is a form of protest China does not want to happen and cannot stop--it is potentially effective. It is an extremely controlled environment, how do they get their message out? Not that I condone it, but if somebody is willing to die for their cause it makes quite a statement.
the whole world knows this photo

& on a side note, if enough of them set themselves on fire & die, it will reduce the unemployment rate, so isn't it win/win for the government? -
do liberals really want their lives controlled by govt? im not sure that is as accurate as u think it is.
Originally Posted by ECUgirl
Did you read my second post in response to zeppelin? I pretty much conceded that very thing...
And this is what libs want to do to us? Yay. Can't wait for that. Not that the conservatives seem to be much better at this point.
**Interesting article. I couldn't concentrate on it as much as I would've liked, my son was in my ear, but did it say why they confiscated the guy's vegetable cart? What did he do wrong? Just curious. That sucks :( -
That's a different angle of the photo from RATM's first album which I believe is a more well-know version of the incident. His name is Thich Quang Duc. Apparently he didn't make a sound the entire time he burned, pretty crazy.
Edited By: BillBrasky Jan 19th, 2012 at 11:54 PM -
Edited By: tommpat2000 Jan 20th, 2012 at 12:15 AMnot their lives, just everyone elsesOriginally Posted by AmSlim22
do liberals really want their lives controlled by govt? im not sure that is as accurate as u think it is.
and seems really rough there - too bad these guys were unlucky and werent born 20 years earlier
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Morocco
edit2: looks like takes 7 days and $300 to start a business there - give them more excuses plz
http://www.doingbusiness.org/data/ex...ing-a-business
edit: looks like all estimates put the unemployment at 7-9%
SCD would be working 90 hour weeks if every college grad in USA w/o job set themselves on fire
these guys are clearly just idots -
The liberals i know seem to want the gov't to give them a job, healthcare, an education, etc... I mean, my view is if the gov't can give it, the gov't can take it away. Scary stuff.
Originally Posted by AmSlim22
do liberals really want their lives controlled by govt? im not sure that is as accurate as u think it is.
Me too, actually. It's all good :)Originally Posted by Dyzalot
Yes but not until after I responded to your first post... I haven't learned to read through a whole thread yet before before wanting to give my opinion on something. :p
And thanks, zep. Obviously, you're right. I wasn't thinking that, but it definitely makes sense. -
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