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So I tee'd it up for the first time since October about 10 days ago, and my swing was so far off from where I was. I played to a 9 in 2010. Official, kept at my home course, etc. etc. etc. My game is not tee to green, I get by on my putting (best part of my game by miles), my short game, and my wedge play. Anyway, my swing was terrible. Awful. It makes me cringe. I need some of our OT golfers knowledgeable about the swing to speak please, give me some ammunition to take in front of the mirror before I tee it up again this Spring.
Edited By: Esarbe Apr 5th, 2011 at 05:45 PM
This was a 4-iron from like 205. Missed the green slightly short, right. Obviously my classic hack miss. I know the lighting is a little fucked; sorry, took this with my phone.
Be harsh. Be honest. Be helpful. Go.
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over dramatic much?
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wayyyy too quick on the take away...slow it down and make sure you accelerate through the ball.
Edited By: subpar67 Mar 1st, 2011 at 06:00 PM
also way too quick at the start of your downswing...pretty simple thing to fix that should do wonders for your game.
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back up from the ball a little you are too on top of it. At point of impact you are not fluid either like you are trying to lift the ball off the ground. Swing down and through it.
Edited By: slks Mar 1st, 2011 at 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by subpar67
wayyyy too quick on the take away...slow it down and make sure you accelerate through the ball.
also way too quick at the start of your downswing...pretty simple thing to fix that should do wonders for your game.
edit - can't really help with anything else because of the video quality...hopefully that helps though.
Thanks guys. After you mention it, I definitely look a little close to the ball, and I look WAY too quick. I think slower and smoother, just looking at it, seems like it would help a lot with my problems. -
definitely way too quick. i have the same problem and im in the process of trying to make a few changes before the summer and i would say my swing speed has been the hardest to change. just feels so weird but oh well its getting there.
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lololol I've never seen that before. Awesome. And yes that's definitely me.. checking the parameters all over the room, finding the perfect spot, and swinging away.
Edited By: Esarbe Mar 1st, 2011 at 06:19 PM
Definitely not Mass, lol. I was in Orlando for the long weekend. The course is Crooked Cat, one of 2 courses at Orange County National. It's a muni, and it's where they held Q-School in 2010.Originally Posted by cream420
that cant be in mass? coursde looks nice tho. def what other people have said. u have no rythym, work on your tempo.
And thanks for the advice. I think the reasons I'm so disgusted with it is because it has no rhythm.. you gotta have rhythm baby. -
not a bad swing... i dont mind the backswing, u dont have any compression through impact (meaning ur not hitting down on the ball) and ur follow through is on a higher plain than backswing (prob explains the slice)
Edited By: number1pen Mar 1st, 2011 at 06:28 PM
EDIT: on 2nd look the begining of the takeaway isnt great either, u turn ur wrist open too early, instead try to use ur shoulders for the first part of the back swing -
ewwwwwwwww that sounded so thin but your swing is close to being pretty solid. You just need to focus on weight transfer and getting onto your left side through impact. If your weight is on your left side at impact you'll be hitting ball then turf and flushing errrtime. No more fanning it right/ straight pulling it :)
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Like they said...hard to see but a little quick. Also, maybe you just thinned that one a little, but try to stay down on it and swing down through it better. Post more videos from side view too so we can see what's up. this is a great thread idea. I plan on posting mine as soon as this fucking snow is gone.
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i think im a little quick on the take away as well... any drills to do at the range or the backyard that can help improve this, or do i just have to go hit a few buckets with this in mind
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Again, thanks all. MUCH appreciated.
Edited By: Esarbe Mar 1st, 2011 at 07:04 PM
I looked it up to see what I could do to help this... I just taped a hockey puck to the top of one of my old drivers (the head). Apparently added weight helps force your body into the more natural motion -- both tempo wise and mechanically (staying on plane). -
Somebody told me to go completely the other way and swing really slow and gradually work it up. This is on the range obviously. Has made things a little easier to get used to but I am still struggling withy takeaway. Feels like one of them things that will only come with hitting a lot of balls on the range
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Yeah like someone said above the tempo is way off. Tempo is huge for consistency. Looked on plane for the most part though maybe a little outside in (which makes sense if you missed short right).
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Im a PGA teaching professional. I dont so much mind your tempo unless that is not normal. Everyone has different tempo, usually its a personal thing. Nick Price is one of the best ballstrikers in the world and had a very fast backswing. You are definitely coming over the top, meaning your downswing comes from outside to in, most people who do this also have an open clubface which causes the slice. My guess is your ball flight is usually slightly pulled then comes back across the line as it slices? True? If so I have a couple of things you could do to improve.
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True but wouldn't you say it's tougher to have a consistent tempo the quicker you are taking it back?
Originally Posted by scgolfer
Im a PGA teaching professional. I dont so much mind your tempo unless that is not normal. Everyone has different tempo, usually its a personal thing. Nick Price is one of the best ballstrikers in the world and had a very fast backswing. You are definitely coming over the top, meaning your downswing comes from outside to in, most people who do this also have an open clubface which causes the slice. My guess is your ball flight is usually slightly pulled then comes back across the line as it slices? True? If so I have a couple of things you could do to improve.
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Edited By: Esarbe Mar 1st, 2011 at 09:53 PMVery true. I've known this for several years, but always struggled trying to fix it. I'm mostly self taught, and just get by with athleticism.Originally Posted by scgolfer
Im a PGA teaching professional. I dont so much mind your tempo unless that is not normal. Everyone has different tempo, usually its a personal thing. Nick Price is one of the best ballstrikers in the world and had a very fast backswing. You are definitely coming over the top, meaning your downswing comes from outside to in, most people who do this also have an open clubface which causes the slice. My guess is your ball flight is usually slightly pulled then comes back across the line as it slices? True? If so I have a couple of things you could do to improve.
My ball never starts out right of center and draws in, like I want it to. If I ever draw the ball, it starts out dead straight and draws left... typical deep pull. All my divots are slightly right to left, clearly showing I come outside in.
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You need to start your downswing by letting your arms drop first, instead of letting your shoulders turning. This will let you drop the club in the slot, and maintain leverage, and be able to swing out to your target as opposed to down and across. A couple of drills I use for students is to put a golf shoe box or water bottle directly across from the clubhead at address JUST off the toe of the club. What should happen is for you to be able to swing back and forth without hitting the obstacle, coming from a more inside path. Occasionally they show PGA pros (VJ for instance) doing this on TV. If you hit the obstacle obv your still coming from outside-in. I usually have the student do this with an 8 iron or something then graduate them to a long club such as the driver.
I would also like to see your grip, because many over the top swings actually come from a very weak grip which causes them to come over the top because they "know" its going to slice. Why would you want to swing down the line if you know the ball is going to curve to the right? You wouldnt you would "help" yourself by starting the ball to the left so it wouldnt go so far right.
As for it being tougher with a fast tempo, sure that maybe true, but like I said everyone has a different tempo and it usually is a personality trait and something they cannot change without losing any sense of rhythm in the swing. -
A lady goes to the emergency room. When the doctor comes in she says doc help me I was out in the golf course and a bee stung me between the first and second hole. The doctor says well looks like your stance is too wide.
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you swing fast as shit.
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Like sc I dont mind the tempo at all. That is going to be the hardest to change in your swing IMO. I would change your right foot push off. You are pushing off your right foot so much, your foot is coming up to early. Try keeping that right foot down a tad longer. Your take away is good,a little inside but its better then being a little outside. Top of yout swing is in good position, straight left arm and good L shape with right. After looking at it again, I think your hands start too low. The butt of your club should be point higher up. Its to for under your belt buckle. Standing a tad taller will fix that.
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Haven't read any of the replies, but I'll take it from the start.
First thing's first. I don't like the movement of your hand position after you address the ball and are ready to start your swing. Your hands start at a point and then just kinda gradually drop right before your takeaway. That's going to create a lot of inconsistency. I'd like to see you get your hands set and paused in the same position every time before takeaway.
To go along with that, right before your takeaway, you do this thing where you lean forward with your body. That needs to stop. Get in a consistent position with your hands and your body when you address the ball, and stop with all these movements that will keep resulting in high variance.
My quick fix solution has everything to do with address. I'd like to see you stand a tad closer to the ball, keeping your posture more upright and hands higher. Stop with the forward lean and gradual dropping of the hands. Just stand a little closer to the ball, more upright in your posture, with your hands a little higher.
Try that and see if it works for you. buchi is correct that your swing is fast, but I don't mind that. I like the rhythm and tempo of it. My biggest gripe is all preshot stuff. It's minor and can be fixed pretty easily. Good luck.
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Was gonna post that same thing. How can we agree.
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Way too quick, like others said. Especially since you are hitting a long iron your tempo has to be really good or you will have a hard time hitting it solid.
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Just read this reply.
Originally Posted by Esarbe
Very true. I've known this for several years, but always struggled trying to fix it. I'm mostly self taught, and just get by with athleticism.
My ball never starts out right of center and draws in, like I want it to. If I ever draw the ball, it starts out dead straight and draws left... typical deep pull. All my divots are slightly right to left, clearly showing I come outside in.
Sooo what can I do sc?
Like Zee and I have documented, you're likely standing slightly too far from the ball and need to start with a more upright posture and your hands higher. The reason your miss is a pull is because you have to reach for the ball. When you stand more upright and a tad closer to the ball, you're not going to reach and come from the outside in like you are right now when you pull the ball. -
Thanks to all for the responses. Gotten a lot more love in this thread than expected. Again, much appreciated.
Edited By: Esarbe Mar 2nd, 2011 at 06:25 PM
Here is a pic of my grip I just had my roommates take. If you need it more zoomed out, or need to see it together with my stance or whatever just let me know. It takes 2 seconds.Originally Posted by scgolfer
You need to start your downswing by letting your arms drop first, instead of letting your shoulders turning. This will let you drop the club in the slot, and maintain leverage, and be able to swing out to your target as opposed to down and across. A couple of drills I use for students is to put a golf shoe box or water bottle directly across from the clubhead at address JUST off the toe of the club. What should happen is for you to be able to swing back and forth without hitting the obstacle, coming from a more inside path. Occasionally they show PGA pros (VJ for instance) doing this on TV. If you hit the obstacle obv your still coming from outside-in. I usually have the student do this with an 8 iron or something then graduate them to a long club such as the driver.
I would also like to see your grip, because many over the top swings actually come from a very weak grip which causes them to come over the top because they "know" its going to slice. Why would you want to swing down the line if you know the ball is going to curve to the right? You wouldnt you would "help" yourself by starting the ball to the left so it wouldnt go so far right.
As for it being tougher with a fast tempo, sure that maybe true, but like I said everyone has a different tempo and it usually is a personality trait and something they cannot change without losing any sense of rhythm in the swing.
Thanks for taking the time to offer a few words. I know you do it for a living and posting about it online probably isn't what you want to do when you're not working.











