Originally Posted by sean614

lack of respect for the sixers is amusing. Sixers > C's >>>>>> Knicks/Nets

Your homerism has reared its ugly head many times in OT but to think that the sixers are better than the c's your ugly headed homerism has become a cerberus just shitting on all logic and reason. WP

#jussayin

yup. Celtics have been one of the worst o-rebounding teams in the nba for each of the past 5 years, they've been just fine.

I think the sixers are either going to be very good or the same as last year. It all depends on Bynum's health and a thad young's scoring IMO. If he can take the next step as a player they could have a formidable scoring. I'm not seeing where they are going to get enough points from to make them better than the nets/knicks, let alone the c's. But like I said, I easily could have swapped them with the knicks and not really felt bad about it. Those 3 teams shouldn't be separated by more than a few games.

 

Originally Posted by Goldenad

traditionally teams with great defenses have poor offensive rebounding numbers because rather than go for the o-reb they are running back down the court and are set up to defend by the time the other team gets down there.

I don't think I buy these as having a huge impact on each other. Maybe a small impact.

Teams aren't great defensively because they neglect offensive rebounding.

I mean just look at the Bulls last year - number 1 in defense and number 1 in offensive rebounding. Clearly attacking the offensive boards cost them little on the defensive end.

@amartin - the celtics lack of rebounding last year was the difference in them being an above average team and being an elite team. If they could have just rebounded at close to an average rate they would have been in exactly the same tier as CHI, MIA, SA and OKC last season. The Bulls grabbed 13% more of their missed shots than Boston, imagine how many games the Celtics win last year with like an extra 5-6 offensive possessions each game, scary

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Originally Posted by Goldenad

here is an interesting read on the concept: http://hoopspeak.com/2012/10/8353/

it even addresses the unique case of the bulls, "
PS: So what the hell is Chicago doing at the top of both team defense and offensive rebounding? Well, how many teams have front courts as athletic and fast as Gibson, Noah, Asik, and Deng, not to mention the fact that Boozer has always been a good offensive rebounder. Add in Derrick Rose flying at the rim and drawing defenders from their box-out assignments and it makes a little more sense."

That is a good read, I like any basketball read that actually attempts to think outside the box and thinks logically about things as opposed to 98%+ of articles that are garbage.

I still think while the correlation exists it's probably not that huge. The article itself says we really can't call it a direct relationship as of yet.

Also the paragraph about the Bulls is iffy and kind of worded to benefit their point. Like the Celtics for instance also have a lightning fast point guard who breaks down defense and a freak athlete for a big man. Using Taj and Asik as examples when they played 20mpg and 14mpg respectively is reaching and ignoring Boozer who is unathletic as shit is a little iffy.

I think you can definitely have your cake and eat it too by attacking the offensive boards and still getting back on defense and easily profit vs. doing one or the other.

 

Originally Posted by Z-Fresh

I can't tell if this is a level or not. If it's a level well played if it's not you are officially the worst and most ignorant basketball poster in the history of the internet.

If it wan't for Alex Rodriguez Kobe would be the most overpaid player in American sports. Biggest weakness is stopping opposing pgs so you pick up Steve Nash who doesn't even have the word defense in his vocabulary. Hit the panic button and trade away your best player from last season. Had no bench last year and wont again. Another year of big names and no depth

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

If it wan't for Alex Rodriguez Kobe would be the most overpaid player in American sports. Biggest weakness is stopping opposing pgs so you pick up Steve Nash who doesn't even have the word defense in his vocabulary. Hit the panic button and trade away your best player from last season. Had no bench last year and wont again. Another year of big names and no depth

 

Originally Posted by Bullets43

Lowry indeed great pickup, DeRozan is not a stud (hopefully shows significant growth in his game this year but doubtful), Valanciunas looks nice in preseason. Raptors have nice depth but lacking star power, will be exciting team to watch indeed, I could see 35-38 wins and in the East, that might put you in a race for 8th spot. Just thankful Steve Nash did not end up in Toronto, would have set the franchise back the 3-4 years left in his career.

 

Originally Posted by AMARTIN1181

The east has some horrible teams, they'll definitely be 9th-11th. But 38 wins ain't happening. Not yet.

You say Derozan is a stud, but no mention of Bargnani or the Lithuanian super rook Valenciunas?

 

Originally Posted by warden

not yet and not ever

 

Originally Posted by Hughes4

also, Dwane Casey

Sorry guys, but Raptors will be making a playoff appearance this year.

Stud was a strong word, you right about that. I think he'll show some significant improvement this year tho. I like what the raps are doing, but PLAYOFFFFFFFFFFS? no.

i love ric flair gifs

Sean can't handle the truth

 

Originally Posted by BigStack Husker

this is a great post what an amazing song can't hear that and be in a bad mood

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

Sean can't handle the truth

Lol i think its ludacris to think the NYK or Nets are anywhere near as good and i think this squad is better than than the celtics, would be willing to take some bets on this too

 

Originally Posted by marinersheep

If Bynum stays healthy, steps his game up and plays like a premier center, then yeah, you've improved. But that's a huge question mark.
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If Bynum stays healthy he is going to be a superstar. He has already stepped up his game and was already a premier center when Kobe wasn't on the court. Bynum was the lakers best player last season. I was kidding earlier about Lakers management obviously, but it is amazing that people don't recognize how good Bynum is.