[Realbigfish4]

and add in another 1st rounder from Denver or New York in 2014, a 2nd rounder from Denver in 2014, and a conditional pick that could be another 1st rounder from Philly in 2015, and another conditional 1st rounder from LA in 2017...

Denver gave up A LOT for Iggy, and Orlando got a ton of potential.

[TheAlbatross]

FWIW, the Magic aren't getting any 2013 draft picks in this trade. 2014 is the earliest and none of three will ever be lottery picks. The Magic didn't get rid of their worst contracts. And they took on contracts for worse players that are equivalent in both years and salary to what they might've gotten from the Nets. And the Nets picks would not have lottery protected.

They could have gotten a larger number of better prospects from Houston. They could've gotten a guaranteed lottery pick from the Raptors via Houston. And if they felt there was a chance that Dwight wouldn't reup with Houston, picks from Houston would almost assuredly been in the lottery.

The Magic resigned Jameer Nelson to a 3yr $20mil contract.

Regardless of which trade they accepted, they are going to be awful next season

[TheAlbatross]

Also, they traded Ryan Anderson why? And for what?

[AMARTIN1181 Is not a girl]

lol realbigfish, i don't know what u r smoking but it must be some good shit.

[Zeppelin world traveler]

 

Originally Posted by AMARTIN1181

lol realbigfish, i don't know what u r smoking but it must be some good shit.

You are failing to realize that the Magic could be getting the best 8th grader in the country come 2017

if it wasn't lottery protected

[Niceguy I will find you.]

guys I think we should all shit in a box and send it orlando's way just to see how great rbf's delusions are.

wait.... that's what this trade was. Shit box 2012 cancelled. No refunds. Edited By: Niceguy Aug 10th, 2012 at 09:24 PM

[MadProfesor]

[Realbigfish4]

and you guys still fail to realize that Howard was walking... Getting young talent, picks, and cap space>>>>>>>(infinite >)>>>>>>>>>>>>nothing

The Nets offer wasnt close to this. Lopez wanted a max deal from Orlando which is retarded, Hump for $12 mill is retarded, and with Howard on the Nets its not like any of those picks wouldve been lottery picks either.

I wouldve loved to see Hedo go along with J. Rich, but getting rid of one shit contract is better than getting rid of none. Duhon is the worst PG in the NBA ainec, and he's gone in this too. Obv in a dream world Dwight resigns, but that wasnt an option. Or if Houston was willing to take on one more bad contract, or part with one more piece, but they werent. This trade is great for the future all things considered.

Totally agree on the Anderson trade, and really wish SVG wsa still here, but this is best case for how things went down.

[AMARTIN1181 Is not a girl]

LOL , we get it, dwight was leaving anyway.

the picks suck, the young talent isn't that good or talented and they got 0 cap space from the trade. Ur a fucking moron. Edited By: AMARTIN1181 Aug 10th, 2012 at 10:34 PM

[Realbigfish4]

 

Originally Posted by AMARTIN1181

LOL , we get it, dwight was leaving anyway.

the picks suck, the young talent isn't that good or talented and they got 0 cap space from the trade. Ur a fucking moron.

they got $20mill in cap space brah...

[Zeppelin world traveler]

Nice, heard Dwight Howard will be a free agent next year

[AMARTIN1181 Is not a girl]

 

Originally Posted by Realbigfish4

they got $20mill in cap space brah...

link? u may be right, but im almost certain they would have gotten this cap space in any deal.

On the Orlando Magic, who aimed low and still botched the Dwight Howard deal: http://nyti.ms/S8e9V6 (ICYMI) Edited By: AMARTIN1181 Aug 10th, 2012 at 10:46 PM

[Realbigfish4]

 

Originally Posted by AMARTIN1181

link?

Oh I'm sorry... $30mill

http://www.nba.com/magic/news/denton...am-blockbuster

"Orlando has only $20 million in salaries committed to the 2014-15 season, meaning it could have as much as $30 million in salary cap space to pursue two elite free agents in the summer of 2014. The Magic will also be armed five first-round picks and five second-round picks over the next three years."

[TheAlbatross]

 

Originally Posted by Realbigfish4

Oh I'm sorry... $30mill

http://www.nba.com/magic/news/denton...am-blockbuster

"Orlando has only $20 million in salaries committed to the 2014-15 season, meaning it could have as much as $30 million in salary cap space to pursue two elite free agents in the summer of 2014. The Magic will also be armed five first-round picks and five second-round picks over the next three years."

They didn't get that cap space because of this deal, though. Btw, 2014-2015 is 2 years from now. For the press release to talk about cap relief 730 days from now is pretty disingenuous. I'd wager that a great deal of teams could position themselves to have cap space that far in the future.

They didn't get rid of their worst contract (Turkoglu) or their second worst contract (Davis). Instead they got rid of J-Rich who is still a good player and Duhon, who is only making $3.25 mil next season, and who is essentially an expiring contract.

They resigned Jameer Nelson for 3 more years. Not a guy you should be building around. (He's a guy who's making > twice as much money as Duhon is next year though).

They traded Ryan Anderson, their most valuable asset (you know, asset, the type of thing that rebuilding teams should be acquiring and stockpiling) for Gustavo Ayon...

They're taking on contracts (Affaflo and Harrington) who's sum is basically equivalent to Brook Lopez's contract both in money and years, only Lopez is younger and better than both (though not so much better that he would make Orlando good and adversely affect their chance at securing a top pick next season)

They're getting 3 first round draft picks that will likely be no better than the 20th pick and that are assured to not be lottery picks. The Lakers contribution will likely be 28-30.

Sure, the 4 picks that they would've received from New Jersey prolly would not have been lottery picks, but they still potentially could have been. The 3 picks Orlando's currently receiving are likely to be equivalent, unlikely to be worse, but 100% guaranteed to be substantially better bc they lack that potential. Oh and 4 first round picks are better than 3.

And that's to say nothing of the Rocket's offer, which seemingly would have blown out of the water in every single way had the Magic accepted it.

Nuggets are stupid too - they compete with the Lakers last season by being faster and more athletic so what do they do? They facilitate a trade where the fastest, most athletic, and dominant center in the league by far is dealt to the Lakers. I guess they deserve major props for moving from the 6th seed to 4 seed in the west while helping create a team that they stand absolutely no chance of beating :/

It shocks and appalls me that Hennigan was able to get this job. He's an embarrassment. Watching his press conference today, he looks like an older version of a kid I knew from elementary school. That kid was a moron Edited By: TheAlbatross Aug 10th, 2012 at 11:16 PM

[Realbigfish4]

Im gonna guess Orlando isnt done making moves, and Harrington (regardless, most of his contract is nongarunteed after this year), McRoberts, and another piece wont be on the roster for long. I wish they wouldve moved Hedo, but moving such a shit contract is nearly impossible. I dont really mind BBD's contract while rebuilding. He seems like the type of guy you want around young players.

It's not like Orlando was trying to get better now from this trade. They were positioning themselves to build for the furture. Having to give Lopez a max deal wouldve been idiotic for Orlando to do. Like I've said several times I wish Houston wouldve been whiling to move one more piece or take on one more contract, but they weren't. The Nets deal wasnt as good as this.

[TheAlbatross]

Zach Lowe ‏@ZachLowe_SI
@jiggadpg80 Harrington can be bought out for 50% of his deal. Even with that, difference b/w 2 and Lopez is max $3M/year. Yay!

Harrington is fully guaranteed next season and then half-guaranteed the next two seasons after that.

Maybe things have changed with Big Baby, but in Boston he was a shoot-first, me-first, immature whiner who thought that he was much better than he actually was. He was really good at taking charges though and certainly isn't an awful player. Bass is much, much better

[Realbigfish4]

Bass is >>>> better, but from watching Big Baby last year he seems to have grown up a good amount and his level of intensity and drive is great to have around young players imo.

The differnce is the time... 4 years for Lopez or 3 w/ a player option for Afflalo for half the money. Gonna have to wait and see what they do with Harrington.

[TheAlbatross]

Afflalo is under contract for the same duration as Lopez. Both have player options for the 4th year. Harrington's contract will be felt for salary cap purposes for the the next 3 seasons regardless of whether or not he plays more than his 1 guaranteed season with the team.

Maybe they trade Harrington and Affalo, idk. But the same could be said of Lopez or whomever else.

Orlando apparently refused to consider a deal to Atlanta bc they're in division


edit. i imagine ill be upset about the trade for years to come due to the lakers benefiting so much. regardless, it's still fun to debate bball with other ppl, so thx for that :) Edited By: TheAlbatross Aug 11th, 2012 at 12:21 AM

[Realbigfish4]

I think it will be much easier to move Harrington than it would have been to move Lopez. Seems Hennigan likes Afflalo, who really knows tho. I just like the looks and pieces of this trade much more than what the Nets offered. Houston wouldve been ideal but they didnt want to play ball soooo.

Im just glad you use actaul conversation and logic in your replies, unlike most OTers in sports threads. They just sheep whatever the Around the Horn and PTI goons spit out.

By years I assume you mean about 2... Kobe and Nash dont have much left in the tank, and Gasol is joining the old man club rapidly.

[warden]

Lol at $30m in cap space. Basically the same money. Get a clue rbf

[Realbigfish4]

Basically the same money as what? Taking on the highly over paid Lopez... Sure... With less options and pieces...

[zander anomaly in his crotch]

Can we have a sports thread where only RealbigFish and ZeeDustin are allowed to post?

And can we make it so they aren't allowed to post anywhere else?

[kellykip The Chosen One]

Still failing to see how anyone could call the Nets re-signing of Humphries a bad move, unless they have zero idea of how NBA economics works. Of any criticism someone might have of the Nets' offseason, that one is by far the most off base.

[SaulGood SPAGETT]

 

Originally Posted by kellykip

Yeah, pretty sure the nets are far from one of the top 5 offseason losers; doubt you'd find too many nets fans that are disappointed with how this offseason went.

they were selling out for/sure they were getting dwight. they got 22 mil/yr of joe johnson as the big ticket item to sell season tickets with in their new fancy arena instead. fail.

[XXEDPXX]

They kept deron too

[Realbigfish4]

So what happens next year if Dwight and/or Bynum jump ship? Hennigan looks like a genius. Even crazier... what if Bynum signs with Orlando. Orlando got a lot for a guy that was leaving regardless, while creating possible rental situations in other cities. They were never getting what Dwight is actually worth from anyone, and what they got might seem like shit, but it's a ton given the situation. Only time will tell how good or bad this was for Orlando, as for now I like it.

[SaulGood SPAGETT]

those 2 not maketh an eastern conference powerhouse

[SaulGood SPAGETT]

or a commercial success especially which is pretty much all they cared about this offseason

[Randers]

 

Originally Posted by Realbigfish4

So what happens next year if Dwight and/or Bynum jump ship? Hennigan looks like a genius. Even crazier... what if Bynum signs with Orlando. Orlando got a lot for a guy that was leaving regardless, while creating possible rental situations in other cities. They were never getting what Dwight is actually worth from anyone, and what they got might seem like shit, but it's a ton given the situation. Only time will tell how good or bad this was for Orlando, as for now I like it.

 

Originally Posted by Realbigfish4

So what happens next year if Dwight and/or Bynum jump ship? Hennigan looks like a genius. Even crazier... what if Bynum signs with Orlando. Orlando got a lot for a guy that was leaving regardless, while creating possible rental situations in other cities. They were never getting what Dwight is actually worth from anyone, and what they got might seem like shit, but it's a ton given the situation. Only time will tell how good or bad this was for Orlando, as for now I like it.

 

Originally Posted by Realbigfish4

So what happens next year if Dwight and/or Bynum jump ship? Hennigan looks like a genius. Even crazier... what if Bynum signs with Orlando. Orlando got a lot for a guy that was leaving regardless, while creating possible rental situations in other cities. They were never getting what Dwight is actually worth from anyone, and what they got might seem like shit, but it's a ton given the situation. Only time will tell how good or bad this was for Orlando, as for now I like it.

[AMARTIN1181 Is not a girl]

llol