Interesting graph, what does it look like if McCain is elected president instead of Obama?

 

Originally Posted by Tread

Interesting graph, what does it look like if McCain is elected president instead of Obama?

Probably no different...We are talking about mud sucking politicians here who would sell their own mother out for a vote.

Not a McCain fan but saying it would be the same is silly. This attempt at government takeover would not have happened. It would still be bad, but not at this level.
There would still have been a stimulus package that wouldn't work but it would have only cost about half. All of the former Goldman Sachs guys wouldn't hold cabinet positions so the bailouts of AIG etc would be different. (remember that GS got 100% of monies). GM and Chrysler would have been forced into a fair to everyone (not geared toward saving unions) bankrupt procedure.

Health care bill would be geared more toward a free market approach.

I still think we needed the awful leadership of the last 10 years for our country to wake up though, we had become very apathetic toward DC and we are just starting to hold them accountable. That's a good thing, we'll be back.

 

Originally Posted by raisethis2

For 2 years now every fucking Republican has done nothing but mail it in. No, no, no, no, no, no, no..........

not just no but hell no. They represent me when they vote no on stupid shit. We are going to see a flurry of stupid shit in the next month trying to sway on people like you to get out and vote." Look the pubs said no to covering grandma's hip replacement, they don't care about grandma" (not mentioning they tried to attach some bill that paves the streets of Sacramento with gold because it's more green that cement or some other stupid shit). It's really disgusting right now what's happening.

If you don't think this is happening because you cheer for your party and they are pure, look at what Harry Reid pulled with the don't ask don't tell bill. I'd be embarrassed right now to point fingers at either party but as long as the pubs are doing nothing and fighting the stupid shit I'm OK with that, at least we don't get a Patriot Act (which Obama was supposed to repeal but instead added cell phones because it didn't go far enough ffs) or a No Child left Behind stupidity.

No, no, no, UD, health care is about turning a profit, not keeping your loved ones healthy. DUH

 

Originally Posted by Tread

No, no, no, UD, health care is about turning a profit, not keeping your loved ones healthy. DUH

keeping loved ones healthy has less to do with insurance than it does with lifestyle choices. Good thing we took away any responsibilities for poor choices. What we should probably do is legislate away those poor choices since people can't be held responsible, it's not their fault.

 

Originally Posted by raisethis2

I just hope for every bright idea they have ...Obama has the stones to say the same thing to them................FUCK NO!!!! VETO!!!!

I actually agree with this (for the most part). Our system is designed to function most effectively in gridlock. Either party with control of all three (exec, senate, house) is a recipe for guaranteed disaster.

 

Originally Posted by raisethis2

This is so last year. Don't you guys ever tire from the whining and selfish agenda you promote? If you want a government that mints coins and does nothing else, move to Haiti. Certainly here in America politicians are imperfect but it's YOUR JOB to take them to task when they fail to represent your interests.

For 2 years now every fucking Republican has done nothing but mail it in. No, no, no, no, no, no, no...........and not a hint of an idea of their own. Do you whine about them and the fucking they're giving us too? Of course not. In November the shoe will be on the other foot. The Republicans will have a majority again (in the House). Then they will actually be responsible for something. I just hope for every bright idea they have to move jobs offshore, cut taxes to the wealthy and fuck with your life Obama has the stones to say the same thing to them................FUCK NO!!!! VETO!!!!

I lol'ed

 

Originally Posted by ginwilly

keeping loved ones healthy has less to do with insurance than it does with lifestyle choices. Good thing we took away any responsibilities for poor choices. What we should probably do is legislate away those poor choices since people can't be held responsible, it's not their fault.

I agree, that Kid who got cancer made alot of poor choices. No need to cut into Health Insurance profit to cover some dumb kid who got sick ffs.

Cutting them off is allowed by law. Great new law that provides financial incentive to insurance companies to drop these policies. Real geniuses put this plan together.

 

Originally Posted by jay_bear

Charities have limits gin and they are not able to pick up the tab for every child that may be left out in the cold. So if one child dies in this country due to the fact the family could not afford to get treatment, wouldn't you say that is one child too many?

So what are you saying, the law is bad for allowing such unfairness?

 

Originally Posted by Willywoo

So what are you saying, the law is bad for allowing such unfairness?

That part of the law

 

Originally Posted by ginwilly

yep, one is one too many, we agree on that. You know who the biggest denier of coverage in this country is? would you be shocked to know it's our lovely government?

They force private companies to cover pre-existing conditions but they get to call it "chronic" conditions and treatments as "maintenance" which is not covered. weeeeeee.

If a family can't afford insurance they would more than likely qualify for medicaid right? why did medicaid let little Johnny die from cancer, oh no, let's fuck up health care then. Good lord you have to quit listening to Obama's stupid shit, you know he wants to give out breathalyzers for asthma. We have elected a clueless clown to replace the last clueless clown but you like him better so you defend this indefensible shit. Shame.

Obama promised premiums would go down with this bill and now that we find out it's not true he's saying "when you add 30million people to the rolls of course premiums would go up, you would have to know that". So even He thinks you are an idiot for believing Him. Sad this is best our country could come up with.

I am not advocating for government run health care. I said if they could not afford the treatment, not that they could not afford health care coverage. There are many working class people in this country that health care provider dumped them in their time of need. Do you think that not allowing these companies to deny or drop coverage on their customers is a bad thing?

 

Originally Posted by Willywoo

That's the only bad part? Whew. I feel better now. I thought there might be a bunch of bad parts to the law.

I am glad you are relieved now you can talk about allllll the good parts of this wonderful law.

 

Originally Posted by Tread

No, no, no, UD, health care is about turning a profit, not keeping your loved ones healthy. DUH

Honestly, you are the worst poster on this site.

Fuck you.

 

Originally Posted by AbnormalQ

Honestly, you are the worst poster on this site.

So Willy, what exacly is the ratio of people who didn't "deserve" illnesses and those that made lifestyle choices that do "deserve" the illness? I know you said 1 to 1 million above and you don't really mean that (do you?), but curious what you think this ratio really is.

 

Originally Posted by jesterwords

how about we just kill off those who we deem terminal anyway, because really, they are just gonna die anyway?

Well, only if you can determine whether or not their terminal condition was due to a "lifestyle choice" or not obv

People's lives and well being should NOT come down to a business/bottom line profit decision. When insurance companies fail to actually insure people, paying customers mind you, the system is severely broken and the concept of even having private insurance has out lived its usefulness. Insurance companies add no value to the healthcare equation when you can't even rely on them to cover you when you are struck with a catastrophic illness or injury.

A single payer system is the best thing we can hope for at this point.