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"The job creation bill that President Obama sent to Congress earlier this month includes a provision that would allow unsuccessful job applicants to sue if they think a company of 15 more employees denied them a job because they were unemployed."
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...191042168.html
i mean really? the way to create jobs is to burden employers with even more baseless litigation? solid plan you have there obama, i guess the pandering machine is in full swing -
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Edited By: Z-Fresh Sep 27th, 2011 at 09:04 PM -
jesus this is ridiculous
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ffs, there is 7 applicants for every 1 job opening...what happened to hiring the best employee? So now he wants my company to be sued by potentially 6 people cause they feel I didn't hire them cause they were unemployed?!?!?
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Get this asshole out of office.
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Not saying I agree with this at all, but I am currently unemployed, and I do to some extent feel discriminated against because I don't have enough "experience." Most places are looking for 2+ years of experience, with just a high school diploma. Yet I went to college got my degree, and also have around 7 months of management experience, yet can land an interview to save my life.
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creating jobs for lawyers. brilliant!
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And you think they should be forced to choose less experienced people over more experienced? Hasn't experience always been a pretty basic criteria to use to discriminate between job applicants? Are we going to start making it so that dumber people can sue for not getting a job for being too dumb?
Originally Posted by astaggs
Not saying I agree with this at all, but I am currently unemployed, and I do to some extent feel discriminated against because I don't have enough "experience." Most places are looking for 2+ years of experience, with just a high school diploma. Yet I went to college got my degree, and also have around 7 months of management experience, yet can land an interview to save my life.
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There are really not adequate words to describe how big of an idiot Obama is.
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Yeah cause I guess having a college degree doesn't mean anything...
Originally Posted by Dyzalot
And you think they should be forced to choose less experienced people over more experienced? Hasn't experience always been a pretty basic criteria to use to discriminate between job applicants? Are we going to start making it so that dumber people can sue for not getting a job for being too dumb?
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Sorry to hear that. The recession has definitely changed things in that regard. It used to be the employers would look for younger employees with schooling because you could pay them less obv to start - now you have guys with 15+ years of proven job performance in the same pool that will take the job for the same amount that you would. Makes it almost impossible to get even an interview - you may be great at what you do, but there is so much lower risk to take on the guy with a track record.
Originally Posted by astaggs
Not saying I agree with this at all, but I am currently unemployed, and I do to some extent feel discriminated against because I don't have enough "experience." Most places are looking for 2+ years of experience, with just a high school diploma. Yet I went to college got my degree, and also have around 7 months of management experience, yet can land an interview to save my life.
Lightning strikes when you least expect it tho - only takes that one guy calling you back.
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Edited By: jdbunchOSU Sep 27th, 2011 at 09:17 PMI'm sorry for your struggles and hopefully things turn for the good for you.Originally Posted by astaggs
Not saying I agree with this at all, but I am currently unemployed, and I do to some extent feel discriminated against because I don't have enough "experience." Most places are looking for 2+ years of experience, with just a high school diploma. Yet I went to college got my degree, and also have around 7 months of management experience, yet can land an interview to save my life.
but I believe any law suit on this would be totally baseless. I hired X instead of Y, and they take me to court saying I didn't hire them because they were unemployed? I mean, I can defend it if the person was better qualified, but if I run into a situation where both employees are qualified equally, but I hire X instead of Y, I'm not looking at their unemployment history, personally, if you were unemployed and told me you were searching etc, I don't even consider that. I think any suit is completely baseless and only trying to stop employers from hiring already employed people that are looking for a different job instead of people currently unemployed. This takes away from a talent pool and is the government trying to control something that they should have nothing to do with (other then laws against race, religion, sex etc etc) -
It doesn't, for most jobs.
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Read my initial post...I started out with saying that I didn't agree with it.
Edited By: astaggs Sep 27th, 2011 at 09:23 PM
I'm not saying to hire dumb people. But to not even get an interview based on this sort of a catch 22 of experience is silly. I don't have experience so I can't get a job, and I can't gain experience because I don't have a job. It really makes a person feel as if their degree is worthless. Plus I read the article and I think the main point is that companies are no longer allowed to put "jobless need not apply" on a posting. -
I was just telling the truth, regardless of how you feel about this potential law.
Edited By: Dyzalot Sep 27th, 2011 at 09:23 PM -
Like this thought never occurred to me...Thanks a-hole
Edited By: astaggs Sep 27th, 2011 at 09:25 PM -
welcome to the real world, pretty sure most people fresh out of school are in the exact same boat
Originally Posted by astaggs
I'm not saying to hire dumb people. But to not even get an interview based on this sort of a catch 22 of experience is silly. I don't have experience so I can't get a job, and I can't gain experience because I don't have a job.
we've all been there
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Edited By: rayspizza Sep 27th, 2011 at 09:34 PMWhat is your degree in? The most important thing to do is get a permanent job in your field. It doesn't matter what it is, just get one. Then work your ass off until you create a nice little gap between yourself and the applicant pool, then you can relax for a bit.Originally Posted by astaggs
Not saying I agree with this at all, but I am currently unemployed, and I do to some extent feel discriminated against because I don't have enough "experience." Most places are looking for 2+ years of experience, with just a high school diploma. Yet I went to college got my degree, and also have around 7 months of management experience, yet can land an interview to save my life.
Seriously tho man it is tough for everyone right now. I've been in my field for 10 years and used to have my pick of jobs in Pharma, but that has dried up. So now I'm going back to get my MS in Statistics just to have more opportunity; even though I'm happily employed. People don't seem to understand that you have to stay ahead of the curve in the US or else you are going to go under. -
All this could really do is cause the "it's not what you know, it's who you know" to be more prevalant. Who wouldn't hire "someone an employee knows"? I wouldn't want to do interviews if someone had all intentions of sueing me if I didn't hire them.
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Can't wait for people to start coming in and defending this.
Merge with the Where's Underdog thread please. -
November 2012... I will either stab/poison all the neighborhood pets or throw the biggest Presidential GTFO party evaaaar!!!
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this is retarded. Couldn't companies just not put "unemployed need not apply" in their job description, then do/hire whoever they want? How will someone know they were "discriminated" against because they were unemployed?
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My neighbor's pocket dog is already missing....
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My degree is in Hospitality and Restaurant Admin, which has more job routes than just hotels and restaurants. It's crazy cause there are so many job openings for management, yet they don't want to hire me. I understand for them it is a risk hiring someone with out much experience, but I do have some experience which is better than none. Something will come about, just gotta keep firing.
Originally Posted by rayspizza
What is your degree in? The most important thing to do is get a permanent job in your field. It doesn't matter what it is, just get one. Then work your ass off until you create a nice little gap between yourself and the applicant pool, then you can relax for a bit.
Seriously tho man it is tough for everyone right now. I've been in my field for 10 years and used to have my pick of jobs in Pharma, but that has dried up. So now I'm going back to get my MS in Statistics just to have more opportunity; even though I'm happily employed. People don't seem to understand that you have to stay ahead of the curve in the US or else you are going to go under. -
Your degree has a lot of routes including getting a job as a Server/Host/Front Desk etc and working your way into mgmt. Most management jobs in this field are filled from within anyway. My wife is a Director of Operations for a major Restaurant chain and they never hire people fresh out of college with a Management Degree. They are always promoted from within.
Originally Posted by astaggs
My degree is in Hospitality and Restaurant Admin, which has more job routes than just hotels and restaurants. It's crazy cause there are so many job openings for management, yet they don't want to hire me. I understand for them it is a risk hiring someone with out much experience, but I do have some experience which is better than none. Something will come about, just gotta keep firing.
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One of my most valuable employees is a woman who applied for a job 3 times (different retail locations) but was turned away, largely because of her inexperience.
Originally Posted by astaggs
My degree is in Hospitality and Restaurant Admin, which has more job routes than just hotels and restaurants. It's crazy cause there are so many job openings for management, yet they don't want to hire me. I understand for them it is a risk hiring someone with out much experience, but I do have some experience which is better than none. Something will come about, just gotta keep firing.
Her persistance impressed us (I had interviewed her twice and my partner once) but each time, we went with the more experienced candidate that seemed to have the same qualities this woman possessed.
Anyway, she felt that our company was right for her, so she faxed me a letter (this was a LONG time ago) asking if she could apply for a 90 day internship assuming that after that time, we would give her a follow-up interview for a position then.
That was over 10 years ago, and today, she is our highest salaried employee.
Moral of the story is that if you see a position that would really be a great fit. Initiative like what this woman showed us goes a really long way.
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Very cool story. I agree that sometimes taking initiative and showing passion and tenacity really do work.
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lol This only applies to the job market. I'm not making any other claims as to how it might affect other areas of life :)
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