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    Originally Posted by krs33 View Post

    In 2005, Baseball America had the Rays as having the 9th best farm system. The A's will need a big stroke of luck to have their prospects pan out like the Rays' did, but again, automatically writing them off is just stupid. I think there's a better chance of them being in contention than not.

    Bolded part is my point. If they need big stroke of luck how is there pretty good chance? Seems to me there is a small chance, if the stars align perfect like it did for the Rays. And I dont no why you keep claiming I automatically wrote them off, I never said that.

    According to this:
    http://topprospectalert.com/2012/01/...pect-rankings/

    Oakland has prospect #25 #48 # 55 #57 #61 and #91. Nothing from that screams breaking down the big league doors any time soon. That year in 05 the rays had 3 prospects inside the top 20 and two inside the top 10 according to Baseball America

    And for shits and giggles to show you how unreliable baseball prospects are--Staying with that 2005 baseball america top 100 only 50% of the top 10 went on to have sustained success in the bigs. 40% of #11-20. 50% of #21-30. 0% of #31-40. and 20% of 41-50.
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  2. signing makes no sense when you are about to be fielding a team with a 40 mil payroll in this division, seems like a risk signing a guy with no USA pro experience for literally 1/4 of your payroll if youre just "flipping him for prospects" thats quite a lot for a team whose payroll will probably remain under 50 milly for the life of his contract to be on the hook for if he isnt the shit
     
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  3. Looks like Padres are on the verge of a huge TV deal. If this goes thru Padres might be able to afford a couple real starters. Also looks like the Ducks will be winter programming.

    The Padres will receive a rights fee worth $30 million in the first year of their new 20-year television deal with Fox Sports, a source familiar with the contract said Tuesday.

    The new deal is still pending approval from Major League Baseball, although as the source said, "I don't see how the Padres are not on Fox Sports San Diego come Opening Day, whether there's a fully executed agreement or an interim agreement to bridge the gap."

    Opening Day is April 5, although the new network is believed to be planning a handful of spring training telecasts beginning March 17.

    USA Today reported last week that the Padres could average about $75 million a year over the length of their deal with Fox.

    http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/...uld-reach-40m/
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    Originally Posted by wantagolf View Post

    USA Today reported last week that the Padres could average about $75 million a year over the length of their deal with Fox.

    so when they take Lackey off our hands we won't have to eat as much of his salary?
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  5. Yeah but in Petco he would be an 18 game winner with a 2.6 ERA. haha
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  6. Ramon Ortiz signs a minor league deal with the Giants. Lock up the nl west.
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    Originally Posted by dominant00 View Post

    Bolded part is my point. If they need big stroke of luck how is there pretty good chance? Seems to me there is a small chance, if the stars align perfect like it did for the Rays. And I dont no why you keep claiming I automatically wrote them off, I never said that.

    According to this:
    http://topprospectalert.com/2012/01/...pect-rankings/

    Oakland has prospect #25 #48 # 55 #57 #61 and #91. Nothing from that screams breaking down the big league doors any time soon. That year in 05 the rays had 3 prospects inside the top 20 and two inside the top 10 according to Baseball America

    And for shits and giggles to show you how unreliable baseball prospects are--Staying with that 2005 baseball america top 100 only 50% of the top 10 went on to have sustained success in the bigs. 40% of #11-20. 50% of #21-30. 0% of #31-40. and 20% of 41-50.

    Not to be a stickler or anything, but for one, if you look at 2006 Top 100 prospects, Matt Kemp is 96, Ryan Braun is in the 40s, Ethier in the 80s. So take those rankings for what it's worth, but looking over names from 05 and 06, there are a ton of good major league players. Just because they aren't superstars doesn't make them let downs as prospects.

    Second, you say 0% of 31-40 went on to have sustained success, yet there is Erick Aybar who has two 4+ WAR years and he is still only 28. So even now, there is room for prospects from 2005 to make a name for themselves. But don't be mistaken, you can make a monster team picking players almost blindly off that list of 100 prospects in 2005.

    Also, even by your standards, 32% of the top 50 prospects have had sustained careers. That's a pretty insanely high percentage
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  8. AJ Burnett is now on the Pirates, with the Pirates picking up $13 million of the $33 million that he is owed over the next 2 years. The Pirates traded away two very marginal prospects, one who is a reliever with decent stuff (but as a reliever his ceiling is much lower) and a Latin outfielder who I don't think was a top 10 OFer in our farm system. I absolutely love this deal from the Pirates' perspective. Moving Burnett from the media spotlight and Little League field in New York to the NL Central could benefit him greatly, and our investment is pretty minimal. While the Pirates should still be improving over the next 4 seasons, this year should be the year the Pirates break .500 because the division is so weak. It will be tough to beat the Reds for the playoff spot, but the stretch of futility should end this season.
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  9. I think it's a good deal for you guys. I'm surprised you had to take $13M though, in earlier talks they were saying that the max would be $10M. I just hope that his ego isn't so burned that it doesn't affect him to the point where he plays even worse.
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  10. good move for both

    glad to get rid of AJ fucknutt, and good luck getting anything out of him. LOL at him giving a fuck about pitching for the pirates he didn't even care about being a yankee
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  11. agreed, though even cutting him would have been a good move for the yanks haha.
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    Originally Posted by tsxxx04 View Post

    I think it's a good deal for you guys. I'm surprised you had to take $13M though, in earlier talks they were saying that the max would be $10M. I just hope that his ego isn't so burned that it doesn't affect him to the point where he plays even worse.

    I think the $10 million number was floating around when the Yankees wanted Garrett Jones, or some prospect with actual value. When the Pirates refused to give the Yankees anyone good (and I think Jones would hit well in Yankee Stadium, and makes a lot of sense as the DH against right-handed pitchers), the price went up. AFAIK.

    Here's a pretty good article that sums up my thoughts about this trade: http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/2/17/28...-yankees-trade
    Edited By: Pghfan987 Feb 18th, 2012 at 05:43 AM
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  13. +1.3 difference between his ERA and xFIP last year. Career ERA is 2/3 of a run less in the NL. At 6.5mm/year he should be very reasonably priced. Yankees win too since they unloaded as much of the contract as they did.

    I'll bet the Red Sox are rooting for Burnett to rebound this year. Maybe then they can actually convince an NL team to give some money back for Lackey.
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  14. D E T R O I T. T I G E R S. B A S E B A L L.
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  15.  
    Originally Posted by Pghfan987 View Post

    AJ Burnett is now on the Pirates, with the Pirates picking up $13 million of the $33 million that he is owed over the next 2 years. The Pirates traded away two very marginal prospects, one who is a reliever with decent stuff (but as a reliever his ceiling is much lower) and a Latin outfielder who I don't think was a top 10 OFer in our farm system. I absolutely love this deal from the Pirates' perspective. Moving Burnett from the media spotlight and Little League field in New York to the NL Central could benefit him greatly, and our investment is pretty minimal. While the Pirates should still be improving over the next 4 seasons, this year should be the year the Pirates break .500 because the division is so weak. It will be tough to beat the Reds for the playoff spot, but the stretch of futility should end this season.

    At 2/$13m I'm shocked more teams weren't interested. Love the move for Pittsburgh.
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  16. im just happy i dont have to look at his fucking face anymore. Also im pretty sure the yankees traded him to pitt for a reason, a nice little fuck you and he won't come back to haunt them with an al team.

    I agree tho, he has some value, especially in the nl and eats innings. 2 y 13m is a good ass deal for pitt any way u cut it.
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  17.  
    Originally Posted by Pghfan987 View Post

    Moving Burnett from the media spotlight and Little League field in New York to the NL Central could benefit him greatly

    During the 3 years he 'pitched' here, he was significantly worse on the road. If you're banking on a comeback due to not pitching in the dimensions of Yankee Stadium, I'm afraid you are in for one rude awakening.
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    Originally Posted by krs33 View Post

    At 2/$13m I'm shocked more teams weren't interested. Love the move for Pittsburgh.

    well he is terrible
     
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    Originally Posted by kellykip View Post

    During the 3 years he 'pitched' here, he was significantly worse on the road. If you're banking on a comeback due to not pitching in the dimensions of Yankee Stadium, I'm afraid you are in for one rude awakening.

    Actually righties hit Burnett much harder than lefties do, so he wasn't hurt as badly in Yankee Stadium, but was roughed up at places like Fenway. PNC Park is very difficult to hit homers to left field except for straight down the line. He is a flyball pitcher and the Pirates have perhaps the rangiest outfield defense in baseball, so the defense/ ballpark are a perfect fit for him.
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  20.  
    Originally Posted by Pghfan987 View Post

    this year should be the year the Pirates break .500

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  21. i felt bad looking at NL MVP votes and seeing andrew mccutchen not receive a single vote. pghfan made it seem like he was the winner midseason or so. dude didnt even get a vote :(
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  22. The reason he gets hit has nothing to do with the park, pgh. He literally throws fast balls right down the motherfucking plate on pitchers counts and goes from 0-2 to 3-2 better than anyone in the game. He has the mental stability of bfactor on the mound.
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    Originally Posted by bluefront View Post

    i felt bad looking at NL MVP votes and seeing andrew mccutchen not receive a single vote. pghfan made it seem like he was the winner midseason or so. dude didnt even get a vote :(

    In fairness Cutch did decline at the end of last season, and the Pirates collapsed. But at one point last June Cutch was leading the NL in WAR and the Pirates were around 1st place, so the idea was certainly reasonable at the time.

    Waco is in over his head in baseball threads so I doubt I care about his GIFs.
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  24. sick insult bro, seems like you care.

    everything you post is always soooo spot on, teach me your ways.

    clown. have another drink
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    Originally Posted by AMARTIN1181 View Post

    The reason he gets hit has nothing to do with the park, pgh. He literally throws fast balls right down the motherfucking plate on pitchers counts and goes from 0-2 to 3-2 better than anyone in the game. He has the mental stability of bfactor on the mound.

    I'm not acting like going from Yankee Stadium to PNC Park will make him a Cy Young candidate. What I am saying is that virtually every factor that is changing for Burnett this season should help him: perfect ballpark to make his weaknesses not as glaring, superb outfield defense, very easy opposing lineups, less pressure.

     
    Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd View Post

    sick insult bro, seems like you care.

    everything you post is always soooo spot on, teach me your ways.

    clown. have another drink

    I'm not drinking tonight. Been cutting way back, actually.
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  26.  
    Originally Posted by Pghfan987 View Post


    Waco is in over his head in baseball threads so I doubt I care about his GIFs.


    lol that was actually really well played
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  27. PGH...it's great that the Pirates are going in the right direction, but you realize your rotation is still a 5-man combo of these 6, right?

    Erik Bedard
    AJ Burnett
    James McDonald
    Kevin Correia
    Jeff Karstens
    Charlie Morton

    And as well as you played in the first half last year, it's not like you even ended close to .500. You weren't 79-83 or something...you were 72-90. Just sayin...
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  28.  
    Originally Posted by Pghfan987 View Post

    I'm not acting like going from Yankee Stadium to PNC Park will make him a Cy Young candidate. What I am saying is that virtually every factor that is changing for Burnett this season should help him: perfect ballpark to make his weaknesses not as glaring, superb outfield defense, very easy opposing lineups, less pressure.

    oh for sure, i think he'll be decent in theory. He might also have a 9 era and be released come may or june of 2014. SICKest thing about burnett is it wouldn't shock me if he actually was serviceable. It's not a question of his arm/talent.

    Pirates could actually make some noise. Worst division in baseball, young batters, withered pitchers, ANYTHING'S POSSSSSSSSIBLE.
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  29.  
    Originally Posted by JRoth15 View Post

    PGH...it's great that the Pirates are going in the right direction, but you realize your rotation is still a 5-man combo of these 6, right?

    Erik Bedard
    AJ Burnett
    James McDonald
    Kevin Correia
    Jeff Karstens
    Charlie Morton

    And as well as you played in the first half last year, it's not like you even ended close to .500. You weren't 79-83 or something...you were 72-90. Just sayin...

    I understand your point, but I think that barring a lot of injuries to key players, the Pirates will only get better this year (given the age of their core players and Bedard + Burnett > Maholm) and the division got A LOT weaker.
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  30. Yah I just don't know.

    Reds/Cards seem to be pretty clear-cut 1/2 to me. Still think Brewers go 3rd with their pitching.

    Love McCutchen, but after that, it's kinda meh. Alvarez may never figure it out (30.5 K% WTF??)...Tabata definitely has shown signs...Walker will be a good avg/OBP guy. Just not a ton of pop up and down.

    And Bedard seems like damaged goods...will be fine when healthy. But who knows how long that is.

    Guess we'll see...
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