Todd just created a whole bigger mess for them than what woulda happened if the kid saw some guys do some random thing with a train.. Huge ordeal now, trying to figure out why some guys killed some kid under a train that stopped at a certain time at a certain plcace...and wait?...is that methylamine spilled on the ground over there? wasn't that one train's methylamine a bit dilute?

agree dude was low man on totem pole. no way he just pulls out a gun and caps the kid.

anyways, makes for a better story/chase coming up.

 

Originally Posted by SyphonSoul

YOU DONT LEAVE WITNESSES!! whats so hard to understand? you guys would make shitty criminals

Was he a witness? What did he see? Even if he saw the entire thing, what is he going to do that would lead to their arrest? - drive home and tell his mom he saw someone on a train? She then calls the train company , who then tells her that nothing is missing? They already covered their tracks with that by replacing the meth. with water. They replaced all f the seals on the tanker, no one would ever know that it was tampered with. Even if they do by some remote chance put 2 and 2 together to realize the meth. was taken, is the 12 year old really going to ID them, probably weeks after it took place?

The simple fact that he waved at them with a smile tells you that he had absolutely no idea what was going on. He didn't know they were robbing the train, he didn't know they were criminals, or else he would have been hiding, or hauling ass away from them. They could have just waved back, and waited for him to leave and gone about their business.

 

Originally Posted by MUPokerPlayer

Todd just created a whole bigger mess for them than what woulda happened if the kid saw some guys do some random thing with a train.. Huge ordeal now, trying to figure out why some guys killed some kid under a train that stopped at a certain time at a certain plcace...and wait?...is that methylamine spilled on the ground over there? wasn't that one train's methylamine a bit dilute?

don't know what makes you think they're going to just leave the body there

kid disappeared out in the wilderness. no one is going to know where exactly he was killed, what he was killed by, or even when he died

What probably happened, imo at least, is that Todd was trying to impress Walt and Jesse. We know Todd previously wanted to impress Walt and Jesse b/c a) he makes a point of telling Walt that he found a disabled a baby monitor in the house they were cooking in and b) he says with a smile that Walt and Jesse really though of everything when planning the heist. Together, these two things make it seem like Todd was eager to please and impress Walt and Jesse, that he's a little bit of a sycophant, excited to get called up from the minors of breaking and entering to the majors of drug dealing. He probably has the gun with him because he wants to appear to be a seasoned pro if things go awry during the heist. Either that or he is a bit of a seasoned pro from all his breaking and entering experience. Todd thinks killing the kid needs to be done because Walt and Jesse stressed the fact while they were setting up that no one apart from 4 (Walt, Jesse, Todd, Mike) could ever know of the heist. It's obvious to the viewer that Walt and Jesse stress this point because they want to ensure that Todd doesn't run his mouth to anyone ever. They're not giving him the go ahead to shoot anyone down. THey just dont want Todd to tell anyone about the heist. While it's obvious to the viewer, it's less obvious to Todd and he takes their warning that no one else can no about the heist to mean that any potential witnesses must be killed. Therefore, when they see the kid, Todd immediately thinks that he needs to be taken care of ASAP and because he's eager to impress Wallt and Jesse, he goes ahead and shoots the kid thinking that doing so would impress Walt and Jesse even though Walt and Jesse definitely did not want Todd to go as he did. The combination of poor, or at least ambiguous communication on the part of Walt and Jesse and Todd's eagerness to impress led to kid dying as he did.

In reality, the kid probably didn't have to die. He likely wouldn't have known what he had just witnessed and even if he did think that they were robbing the train, he probably wouldn't communicate that information to the necessary parties and even if he did communicate it to the authorities, the authorities would probably be hesitant to pursue it because nothing was obviously stolen from the train, but even if they did think that something was stolen they wouldn't know right away that it was the methlylene because that was just one of many chemicals on the train and even if they did put all that together, the kid still just had a very basic physical description of the guys to go on. A missing kid, on the other hand, is definitely going to attract the authorities' aattention and Walt and crew would still have to remove the tanks and everything else and there are people that can place the Vamanos Pests guy in the vicinity with his truck.

Mike clearly isn't pleased with how everything transpired as we see in the scenes from next ep clip


But the show is not reality and killing the kid in the way that he is killed isn't beyond believability for the show and killing the kid in that way makes narrative sense for the show b/c it implicates Jesse in the killing - think about how freaked out he was about some kid randomly finding the ricin cig and then even more randomly ingesting it. He was morally terrified of that happening. Now his poor communication indirectly (but still waymore directly than the ricin conundrum) led to an innocent kid getting murdered

I agree with Syphon that the kid was definitely a witness/loose end. How much he saw wasn't really the point. He saw THEM in the middle of nowhere under the train tracks with a generator. That makes him a liability. He was definitely an issue, I just thought it was far fetched that Todd would make that kind of decision without being told to by mike or walt. Even if they dispose of the body, a missing kid will trigger search parties and investigations... Added heat and stress that might have been avoidable.

My guess is that this is somehow gonna get back to Skylar. Like she's going to read about the kid going missing or being found shot and then she'll put two and two together with walt's comments about robbing a train and about her seeing a fictional shrink named Peter in a specific town. If she figures out that walt is responsible for the murder of an innocent young kid, it'll be the final straw. She'll take the kids and run away or she'll snitch on him.

small detail, but seals on intermodal containers are numbered. just sayin.

the guy who actually stopped on the tracks (played by bill burr)? he's one of saul/mike's guys (i don't know which). he is in on it. they don't need to kill him because he won't say anything.

that one's coming.

they still might kill bill burr; i think walt would, ideally, want to go through that list and kill everyone goodfellas style.

The red headed guy works for Saul.

 

Originally Posted by Sheggy

He works for Mike obv. He was one of the guys that forced Ted to write the check to the IRS

also the EPA guy.

 

Originally Posted by Camz

but the fact that he shot the kid isn't what puts the nail in the coffin.

oh really? lolol. delete or edit that post. its complete shit. if theres one clue that helps your "its still possible" claim is that Todd worked that pistol to perfection. he looked natural shooting that pistol. like hes a pro and had done it before. double tap to the center mass is what those shooting buffs call it right?

I miss Gus :(

 

Originally Posted by Wein

I miss Gus :(

this too. such a sick character/actor

 

Originally Posted by Camz

you act like guys who worked undercover in the mob didn't have to partake in acts such as murder/crime etc in order to fully blend in with the ppl they were infiltrating

yeh i guess so.... i dont think executing a 12 y/o old kid gets you a pass lolol. a 12 y/o innocent bystander to say the least