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    Originally Posted by cruizr View Post

    Trying to figure out the connection here - can someone help?

    In the front of Gale's lab notes, he has written the inscription "To W.W......"

    In Season 3 Ep. 6 Walt meets Gale for the first time. Gale talks about a Walt Whitman poem, and the scene shifts to Walt at home reading the Leaves of Grass book. So did Gale give this book to him? When? And how did the same inscription get into that copy of Walt's book?

    uh, hmmm, yeah, aaaah.. yeah.

    since I am here I feel obliged to give the whiners itt their due shit, wtf? if you're gonna criticize then pick on the ten shankings all going off at once in different places, lol at the logistics on that being reasonably possible. or skylar not being able to figure out how much money there was in the pile, she verbalized exactly how to do it and then said, "I can't figure it out."

    I'm going to guess people are disappointed in the episode (unmet expectations) and have to find something to pick at, it wasn't a bad episode at all. how hank found out was perfect imo.

    replace Mike with nazi skinheads and it's not going to be as good. I miss Mike.
    Edited By: EyeKnows Sep 3rd, 2012 at 05:05 PM
  2. does it really matter whether hank finding the book is realistic? many of the things that have happened on the show have been unrealistic. the odds of walt being connected to his own investigation through hank can be a stretch at times. the planes flying into each other in season 2 because of walt (indirectly) is a serious stretch. these types of connections are just part of the hollywood scene. i suppose it's reasonable to argue that the show is better than that-- but i can't criticize it when those moments happen.

    i think the ending to season 5a was a decent, understated way of having the revelation happen. annoyed that i have to wait a year to start it up again, but i suppose it's well-timed with sunday night football starting up
  3. @ Eyeknows who replied specifically to my post:

    I don't have the slightest idea wtf you're talking about. I wasn't complaining - I was asking if anyone knew when Gale made the inscription inisde Walt's copy of the book. Quit trying so fuckin hard.

    Can anyone actually answer the question?
    Edited By: cruizr Sep 3rd, 2012 at 05:11 PM
  4.  
    Originally Posted by cruizr View Post

    @ Eyeknows who replied specifically to my post:

    I don't have the slightest idea wtf you're talking about. I wasn't complaining - I was asking if anyone knew when Gale made the inscription inisde Walt's copy of the book. Quit trying so fuckin hard.

    Can anyone actually answer the question?

    didn't say you were complaining, that was for the rest of the folks complaining about this being a shitty episode. just the first thing was responding to you.

    the inscription in the book and the thing in gale's notebook are not the same. gale made the inscription before he gave walt the book. it said something about "looking forward to working with you".
  5. The little exchange at the very end about Schraderbrau, Hank said he would make another batch because people want it.
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  6.  
    Originally Posted by EyeKnows View Post

    didn't say you were complaining, that was for the rest of the folks complaining about this being a shitty episode. just the first thing was responding to you.

    the inscription in the book and the thing in gale's notebook are not the same. gale made the inscription before he gave walt the book. it said something about "looking forward to working with you".

    When did he give Walt the book? That's what I'm trying to figure out. I've rewatched the episode where they first meet, and then it shifts to Walt reading the book. I didn't see Gale giving him the book.
  7.  
    Originally Posted by cruizr View Post

    When did he give Walt the book? That's what I'm trying to figure out. I've rewatched the episode where they first meet, and then it shifts to Walt reading the book. I didn't see Gale giving him the book.

    can't tell you the specific episode but I bet if you googled it with skill you'd find out. it was early, right after walt and gale met iirc.

    but I could be wrong, I seem to remember seeing gale giving it to walt. and he obviously did regardless if they showed it.

    edit - correction from earlier, the inscription reads -

    "To my other favorite W.W. It’s an honour working with you. Fondly G.B."
    Edited By: EyeKnows Sep 3rd, 2012 at 06:39 PM
  8. I don't think it was actually shown when he gives him the book but I am pretty sure there is a scene in his apartment with him holding it.
  9.  
    Originally Posted by sacaniga View Post

    i do it for the kids




    leaves of grass is a story about twins who split up in their 20's, one went the route of pot dealing and the other went off to be some big shot proffessor, they were both geniuses and the guy who went the drug route pioneered the hydroponic style of growing, a situation played out and they needed to switch places for a bit to pull off some shenanigans of some sort, if you're willing to view walt and heisenburgh as two separate people than the story is remarkably similar, so the initials tipped him off and then what the story was about put the nail in the coffin

    leaves of grass is a bunch of fucking poems and im pretty sure they didnt have hydro weed in the 1850s. im prolly getting levelled tho
     
  10.  
    Originally Posted by chancemcc View Post

    leaves of grass is a bunch of fucking poems and im pretty sure they didnt have hydro weed in the 1850s. im prolly getting levelled tho

    hydroponics was invented in 1850s but largely ignored until some dude in the early 1970s "rediscovered" the research and applied it to weed growing.
    Edited By: EyeKnows Sep 3rd, 2012 at 07:28 PM
  11. I think the big drama in the last 8 episodes is gonna play out like this, hank assumes that walt is just some bitch who was forced to cook by fring, and then later by mike, walt is just a poor weakling caught up in a bad scene, so he doesnt go to the DEA about this, he confronts walt and says that he wants to get him out and save his life, as these are bad people he's tied up with, walt breaks down about how he's been scared for his and his families lives and just wants out, and will help hank in any way possible to track down mike and put an end to all of this

    meanwhile, walt goes into the czeck republic venture with this crazy chick, and soon realizes that the reason gus never tried to take over that market is because the gangs running the meth trade over there are not even remotely fucking around, walts got the DEA crawling up his ass, the czeck meth gang sending hit squads his way, and is fucked, he convinces hank that the czeck gang is the one pulling the strings and are coming for him, he works with the DEA and brings down the czeck gang, they give him a pass for his cooperation, and then walt runs the whole worlds meth trade at that point, and then either jesse or skyler kills him, thinking back to that little kid who shot Omar in the wire, he's gonna get got by some non threat situation in the end after it appears he's unstoppable

    boom....

    THEN, during the autopsy, they discover that he does in fact have both male and female genetalia

    what a twist


    also: as to my leaves of grass ignorance, I was unaware of the book of poetry, it did make zero sense that gale would be giving walt a copy of a book that I assumed was turned into a mediocre movie lol, however, the fact that hank is likely as ignorant as I am about the subject of 1850's poetry, I don't think it's a stretch he thought of that movie and that just put another brick in the wall of what he was already piecing together



    i mean think about it, this is a show that has been so diagnosed on such minor details meaning so much, and it's just a non issue that out of all the books of poetry gale could have given walt, the one he gave him also shares the same title of a movie about a super legit person who ends up "breaking bad" to save his family and getting involved in drugs?
    Edited By: sacaniga Sep 3rd, 2012 at 07:43 PM
  12.  
    Originally Posted by cruizr View Post

    When did he give Walt the book? That's what I'm trying to figure out. I've rewatched the episode where they first meet, and then it shifts to Walt reading the book. I didn't see Gale giving him the book.

    the 2p2 thread is 30 pages of discussion deep on this episode alone. i'm sure this is in there somewhere
  13. i had thought that we had seen gale give walt the book (thought i remembered it) but after googling im not so sure that it happened. if not its a little bit disappointing
  14.  
    Originally Posted by DBo Fo Sho View Post

    the 2p2 thread is 30 pages of discussion deep on this episode alone. i'm sure this is in there somewhere

    jebus.
  15.  
    Originally Posted by Nickc011 View Post

    I think Jesse is going to be the one to put an end to Walter, so I would be completely shocked if he went next episode. I think the gigantic cliff hanger that will tie us over until next season is that Hank is going to put 2 and 2 together in the last seconds of this season.


    qft
     
  16.  
    Originally Posted by cruizr View Post

    When did he give Walt the book? That's what I'm trying to figure out. I've rewatched the episode where they first meet, and then it shifts to Walt reading the book. I didn't see Gale giving him the book.

    the book appears in the very first episode Gale met Walt, season 3, episode 6:

    edit: money stack calculation - http://www.dailycognition.com/index....lar-bills.html
    Edited By: DBo Fo Sho Sep 3rd, 2012 at 08:10 PM
  17. I googled it (with skill..) and it is season 3 episode 6 at 25:00 I believe.

    edit - I have not confirmed this info.
    Edited By: EyeKnows Sep 3rd, 2012 at 08:09 PM
  18.  
    Originally Posted by EyeKnows View Post

    I googled it (with skill..) and it is season 3 episode 6 at 25:00 I believe.

    edit - I have not confirmed this info.

    That's the first time we see Walt with the book reading it, but I can't find where Gale actually gives it to him (with the inscription of course). I'm not sure we ever see that happen.
  19. The final scene with hank putting it together reminded me a lot of the scene in the sopranos *** spoiiilerrrr***

    where Tony is laying down up stairs in the safe house, and he flashes back to the conversation that he had with bobby on the boat. Everything is just dead quiet, except for their voices. In both cases its just a perfect moment of clarity.

    The scene with Walt and Jesse was also horribly epic as well, as they talked about old times with the RV. There was a brief time during that conversation that I thought that this was going to be it for Jesse, as Walt may have just seen him as another loose end. If they were going to end it there for Jesse, I think it would have fit.

    I'm looking forward to the next episode more than I've ever looked forward to an episode of TV -- I can't wait to see how Hank plays things after his epiphany.
    Edited By: Nickc011 Sep 3rd, 2012 at 10:05 PM
     
  20. The way hank found out sucks. No arguing that. I really wanted a usual suspects type moment. I thought maybe hank would get one more small clue and then have a few little flashbacks that show it coming together in his mind for an ultimate wtf moment.



    It was a still a great episode though. Walt bringing the ricin to his meeting with Lydia was so sick. His greed kept him from tying up that loose end though. How has nobody yet mentioned that Jesse thought he was going to die when Walt showed up at his door. First, he looks freaked out when he sees who is at the front door. I was confused by that when I saw it was just Walt, but then he drops the gun and it made a lot more sense.
    Edited By: mattg1983 Sep 4th, 2012 at 12:30 AM
  21. I think jesse was resigned to just let whatever is going to happen to him happen.
    'walt at the door? obv super weird, but if he wants to kill me, so be it.'
    and then their interaction is just super weird on top of everything. and the suspense as jesse goes out to get the duffle bag was incredible. they played it like it was going to be something horrific, like Mike's head on a platter. but then logically, it is just the money, but to jesse, it is just as horrific as it reminds him of all the wrong he's done and been involved with.
  22.  
    Originally Posted by Hughes4 View Post

    I think jesse was resigned to just let whatever is going to happen to him happen.
    'walt at the door? obv super weird, but if he wants to kill me, so be it.'

    no. if this were true jesse would not have gotten his gun before answering the door.
  23.  
    Originally Posted by Nothingmaker View Post

    no. if this were true jesse would not have gotten his gun before answering the door.


    yea this, jesse was ready to fight for his life if he had to
  24. If Im Jesse, Im answering the door with a gun no matter what at this point.
    But that part of my post could easily be 100% bullshit. Just the mindset I thought the character would have.

    I was pretty surprised when Jesse said "Saul told me what you did?"
    a) Saul shouldnt be divulging Mr White's secrets
    b) There are so many things that it could have been to the viewer, but only one thing in the context of the show. So walt doesnt even really react
  25. I have a question regarding Walt's meeting with Lydia: Did he bring the ricin to poison her in case she didn't give him the names, or was he going to poison her regardless, but obv didn't because of her Czech Republic plan?

    On another note, I really like how they decided to hint at the likelihood of Walt's cancer being back towards the end of the episode... the sequence of him going into the MRI machine, then the hospital bathroom scene where he looks at the paper towel dispenser, being reminded of his anger/frustration during the early stages of his initial diagnosis, except this time he almost seems at peace with the news. And then obviously back at home when he walks up to Skyler and says he's done making meth, which pretty much came out of nowhere, but strongly hints at Walt's recognition of the fact that that it's time for him to spend whatever time he has left with family.

    They don't explicitly tell us that his cancer's back, but you can pretty much tell by Walt's demeanor throughout the sequence (all of which is made possible by Cranston's amazing acting).
  26. I think he would have done it as soon as he got the names.
    She actually talked herself out of death again.

    and Walt's declaring, "Im out" is more interesting to me.
    In the past 2 episodes it does seem like he's coming to realizations about how this isnt for him any longer.

    Do most people think that a) walt has taken steps off-camera to get himself out and at this time, he's telling Skyler the truth?
    or b) That it's completely bullshit.
    or c) He's saying that to make her happy. it's his intention to get out, but he very well knows it won't be easy.

    I thought b would have been the best angle for him if he went through and ricined Skyler at the end of this episode.

    If it's a, then I really dont like the exact coincidence of Walt finally being out of the business and gets unlucky to have Hank catch him afterwards. It would have been more badass if Hank were after him while he is still the King. Some people will like this coincidence as "HAH it serves Walt right. you think you can just quit this?" but for me, I hate it, along with all else that went into Hank's discovery.

    I like c, because BB isnt a show to really mask things off-camera, and when they have, it's been some of the show's weakest stuff, like the big S4 'twist' Skyler has to be quite skeptical of this tho and I dont think she'd just be like "OK, call the kids" without some serious proof.
  27. I also find it puzzling that walt would keep the page of the book that clearly incriminates him. He had to know that Hank would figure it out if he saw that, why risk it?
     
  28.  
    Originally Posted by Nickc011 View Post

    I also find it puzzling that walt would keep the page of the book that clearly incriminates him. He had to know that Hank would figure it out if he saw that, why risk it?

     
    Originally Posted by Hughes4 View Post

    yeah but characters sure do a lot of silly things on the "best tv show, movie or piece of art ever created" LOL

    mostly.
  29. hank looks pretty bad if it turns out the biggest meth cook in the history of the world was under his nose all along.

    and that walt paying for hank's physical therapy with drug money looks even worse. maybe hank doesn't say anything at all, definitely easier on many levels.
    Edited By: EyeKnows Sep 4th, 2012 at 03:12 AM
  30.  
    Originally Posted by Nickc011 View Post

    I also find it puzzling that walt would keep the page of the book that clearly incriminates him. He had to know that Hank would figure it out if he saw that, why risk it?

    maybe walt didn't know it was dedicated/inscribed like that? I've never done that to a book before giving it to someone, is it customary to point it out if you do?