how can you give the debate to Obama before they even have the debate?

the most non-"debate" of them all

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

How is Gary Johnson's fp different from Ron Paul? Don't know if it is even similar. Serious question, have no idea what his fp is

he's a little more willing to intervene (which can be preferable to paul at times) and he sometimes says absolutely stupid things (like that we should go after kony)

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

How is Gary Johnson's fp different from Ron Paul? Don't know if it is even similar. Serious question, have no idea what his fp is

It's very similar and very right. He just doesnt go all crazy Uncle Ron to get his point across. His big point is "Peace is Cheaper".

meh, i would offer that everyone pretty much has their minds made up at this point anyway.

GL tonight Mittens

 

Originally Posted by Realbigfish4

B/c Romney has a better shot of winning this debate by not showing up.

For some reason, I believe Romney's lack of a record with regards to foreign policy could work in his favor tonight. Obama's record is OK, but there are a lot of opportunities to make Obama's FP look bad since party lines don't really clarify voter's foreign policy preferences. I think defense will be the less divisive topic, but that economic policy could sway towards Romney. Foreign bank bailouts by the fed, Euro instability, and Chinese trade might all favor Romney because new ideas don't sound as good coming from an incumbent, even though in practice both would likely continue down similar paths. If Romney keeps spouting off about war with Iran, strong-arming the Chinese about trade policies, and advocating the cold war defense buildup, then he'll lose.

 

Originally Posted by Realbigfish4

I will give this debate to Obama. Romney is just too lost when it comes to the big issues here

 

Originally Posted by Realbigfish4

I see you plan on bringing a lot to this conversation.

FFS, you're unequivocally calling a probability event before the event even happens? And then calling people out for bringing nothing to the conversation?

You bring less than nothing to the conversation by casting final judgments based on your own bias. I mean it's one thing to be biased, we all are simply as a function of being human. But to make the leap from that normalcy to "I will give this debate to Obama," takes a special and relatively unique kind of confirmation bias. Congrats on having the reasoning abilities of a fifth grader.

LOL... You're really high on your horse today. Maybe you can jump off and enjoy the festivities with the rest of us, instead of equating justifiable bias with forum grammar teachers. Jumping to overt and biased conclusion not only makes for a much more entertaining form of conversation, it makes for an overall more entertaining life. Just keep trotting along judging others without knowing their means based on your bias conclusions.

Brief foreign policy summary of the last 4 years:

1. Killed two pirates after 72 hours of hostage stand-off.
2. Allowed Special Forces to eliminate OBL.
3. Hit reset button with Russia and we are about back to 1988.
4. Cut and run from Iraq.
5. Planning to cut and run from Afghanistan.
6. Did not close Gitmo.
7. Did not end the Patriot Act.
8. Did not stop drone attacks.
9. Proposed to try KSM in NYC.
10. Won endorsements from Chavez, Castro, Putin, and Iran.
11. Did not scrap military tribunals.
12. Hurt relations with Israel.
13. Waged illegal war in Libya.
14. Traded up for worse Libyan regime.
15. Sat idly by as thousands of Syrians and Iranians were killed.
16. Bowed to foreign despots and unelected dictators.
17. "Won" nobel peace prize!
18. Gave away missile defense shield in Europe for nothing.
19. Failed to protect our ambassador and staff in Libya.
20. Signed two new Free Trade Agreements!!
21. Shipped money overseas to build supercars in Norway.
22. Shipped money overseas for oil drilling in Brazil.
23. Shipped assault weapons to Mexican drug lords resulting in death of border agent.
24. Gave the Queen an ipod with all of his inspirational speeches on it.
25. Allowed Iranian nuclear program to proceed full steam ahead.
26. Devalued dollar by over 30% putting the dollar at risk for not being the world's reserve currency.
27. Apologized for the exercise of US Constitutional Rights.
28. Got tons of stamps for Mrs. Obama's passport.
29. Suffered a lack of "flexibility" in giving away our nuclear deterrent.
30. Led from behind on every major diplomatic crisis during his term.

Cut and Run? lol smh

Got an endorsement from Putin and put us back to 1988 with Russia. That is impressive

Wonder if the Castro endorsement is the same daughter with no power that littleze posted about as if it meant something

 

Originally Posted by thereraise

at least you will be watching from an unbiased stand point.......

There are actually going to be people watching the debate without any bias? Seriously?

 

Originally Posted by thereraise

Whoever wins the election we the citizens lose.

sounds like you already have your bias against both of them

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

Got an endorsement from Putin and put us back to 1988 with Russia. That is impressive

Wonder if the Castro endorsement is the same daughter with no power that littleze posted about as if it meant something

I will transmit this to Vladimir

I would be shocked if Realbigfish didn't give Obama the debate before it happened, anyone can give the debate to anyone. I mean without Obama even saying a word in the debate yet I already know he has been a complete disaster when it comes to foreign policy.