Inspired by some of the MLB discussion last night in AMARTIN's thread, I want to do the next paragraph as Chris Berman:Edited By: JKoblyn Oct 4th, 2012 at 05:06 AM
What a long, strange trip it's been, to quote the late, great Jerry Garcia. Teams like the Angels and Red Sox, with expectations as high as their payrolls, proved what Pink Floyd knew all too well - plans that either come to naught, or half a page of scribbled lines. But the season was not all disappointments; players like Bryce Harper "Lager" and Mike "Rainbow" Trout proved as good as advertised, or even better, and Gio "Metro" Gonzalez proved to be a worthy Robin to Stephen Strasburg's Batman. And in Boston, every day was Valentine's day, though Cupid was always in a foul mood. In the National League...
Ok fuck this. I can't stand Chris Berman. So here's our end of the season final rankings. I'll point out now before people freak out, but these were done before Oakland ran the tables on Texas and took the AL West, and even so, these rankings are about the whole body of work, not the final week of the season.
This time, each ranker was given a division to focus their writeups on, so we could all challenge ourselves. I took the AL East, which was a challenge because I have seen only 3 baseball games in the last 2 years that didn't involve the D-Backs. Krs took the AL Central, which is painful as he is a Twins fan. Gamma took the AL West, which proved to be the hardest of all, as he hadn't even heard of Mike Trout until I asked him to rank the Angels. For the NL, NYY took the West, which actually was pretty easy, for he is a huge Giants fan as you can tell by his screen name. KellyKipp took the NL Central, as he has boycotted NL West all games since his mancrush Melky was suspended. A couple of people were offered the NL East, but surprisingly turned it down, so that will be a mix of the hipster kipster and myself.
We also voted as a group on the postseason awards. I know the AL MVP has already been debated at length in OT, but we're hoping to spark more discussion (that is if anyone still reads baseball threads during football season)...
1: Washington Nationals
MVP – Gio Gonzalez: Led the great pitching staff in pWAR, and carried the torch when Strasburg was shut down.
Anti-MVP – those who thought it was best to shut down Strasburg: A girl who broke up with me when I went back to college quoted a Star Wars prequel to explain why she was going to bang a cook at Ground Round once I left, and it applies here as well:
Obi-Wan: But Master Yoda said I need to be mindful of the future.
Qui-Gon: But not at the expense of the moment.
2: Texas Rangers
The Rangers have an excellent lineup and bullpen, but their starting rotation has some huge question marks entering the postseason.
MVP’s – Yu Darvish/Adrian Beltre: Darvish has been worth every penny down the stretch, but after him, who can you really count on in October? Beltre has been incredible for the Rangers, and as long as his sore shoulder doesn’t slow him down, expect a big showing in the postseason.
Anti-MVP – Matt Harrison: With the exception of a couple of starts against Seattle, Harrison has struggled to work deep into games in the month of September.
3: Cincinnati Reds
MVP - Ryan Hanigan: A little off the reservation here, but in a season where their 2 best hitters missed time, and their manager was...well, was Dusty Baker, their staff was a rock all year. Props to the guy who won the job and helped make a lot of people look good.
Anti-MVP - Drew Stubbs - 6' 4 inches and 205 pounds of pure suck and getting worse; if players do hit their prime years starting at 27, I look forward to him failing in the Atlantic League by sometime next June.
4: Atlanta Braves
MVP – Jason Heyward: Solid bounce back year after a sophomore slump.
Anti-MVP – Brian McCann: Last season we were ready to crown him the best catcher in baseball. Welp.
5: New York Yankees
They sure hit a lot of home runs, but their age has shown down the stretch, and there are questions about the rotation.
MVP – Robinson Cano. Although he took his annual 2 months off post all-star break this year, instead of April and May, he still put up insane numbers.
Anti-MVP – Alex Rodriguez. With all due respect to Mark Teixeira, A-Rod has been a bigger disappointment this year, and Brian Cashman is making constant calls to the Dodgers to see if they’re in the market for a third baseman.
6: San Francisco Giants
Yet another excellent season, even with battling considerable adversity between Brian Wilson's absence, Tim Lincecum's struggles, and the meteoric rise and collapse of Melky Cabrera.
MVP - Buster Posey: Early season MVP goes down, Buster responds with an OPS hovering around 1.100 in the second half. Enough Said.
Anti MVP - Melky Cabrera: Hard to let your team down with a more selfish series of actions than he had.
7: Oakland A’s
The A’s have played like a team possessed. I’m still not exactly sure how the A’s did it, of course there’s the excellent starting pitching and bullpen, but I’m going to have to give some credit to the A’s new hitting coach, Chili Davis.
MVP – Yoenis Cespedes: The A’s are 12-22 without him in the lineup.
Anti-MVP – Jemile Weeks: After showing promise in his rookie season, he took a dump to the tune of .221/.305/.304 with 2 HR, and provided the same amount of wins as a replacement level player.
8: Baltimore OriolesEdited By: JKoblyn Oct 4th, 2012 at 04:54 AM
If I didn’t hate this team for last September, I would be joining in the masses who celebrate their surprisingly remarkable season. But as it stands, fuck them.
MVP – Adam Jones: With a line of .287/.335/.505 and 32 HR, Jones has emerged as a star in the AL East.
Anti-MVP: Mark Reynolds: Yeah, I know he hit a home run every time he faced the Yankees down the stretch, but when you hit 23 HR and can manage only a 0.8 WAR, you’re doing something wrong.
9: Tampa Bay Rays
The Rays had a rollercoaster season, falling out of contention, storming back in, falling out again, and then coming up just short. It’s been said before in baseball threads, but if they could have just a slightly below average offense, they would be unstoppable.
MVP – Fernando Rodney: It goes against everything I stand for to award a closer anything, or site his ERA (0.61) as my reason, but he was a beast for them in late games, striking out more than a batter an inning and bailing their offense out for their lack of production.
Anti-MVP: Evan Longoria: It’s not fair to look down on someone because they were injured, except Longoria is always injured it seems, and every season when we expect him to be the MVP he’s capable of being, he misses have the season with some form of vaginitis. (please disregard his 3 HR game in #162).
10: Detroit Tigers
What an unimpressive team this has been. A strong lineup, strong rotation, strong bullpen and they slog through 155 games. And this is a team I could totally see winning the World Series.
MVP – Miguel Cabrera: I can make a pretty strong case for Verlander as well, but Cabrera was great all year.
Anti-MVPs – Delmon Young and Jhonny Peralta: I don’t care that Peralta has a 2.6 WAR, mainly on the strength of his UZR. I watched this Detroit team play a lot, and I can’t remember Peralta making a single play in the field that impressed me. He has no range. He doesn’t have good hands. His arm is inaccurate at best. He’s one of my least favorite players in baseball. As for Delmon? My absolute least favorite player of all time. Seriously, he doesn’t do anything well. At all. There’s no part of his game that you can call a strength. He’s just the worst.
11: St. Louis Cardinals
MVP - Yadier Molina: Up and down the lineup, the Cards got pretty good production, but Yadier is the one who took the next step towards legit stardom
Anti MVP - Victor Marte - it's not easy to be awful over and over in small doses, but he pulled it off 1/3 of an inning at a time, 3 nights a week - good work.
12: Los Angeles Angels
The Halos played as well as any team in baseball down the stretch, but were unable to overcome their horrendous month of April. Their perceived strength, the starting rotation, ended up costing them a spot in October.
MVP – Mike Trout: Trout emerged as the best player in baseball this season becoming the first player in MLB history to hit 30HR’s, steal 40+ bases and score 125+ runs.
Anti – MVP: 3-way tie: Dan Haren, Ervin Santana and CJ Wilson flat out stunk for prolonged periods of time, which put added strain on a bullpen that already lacked serious depth.
13: Los Angeles Dodgers
It's never a boring year with this team. Overachieve early on, just to drop the ball when they actually pick up the talent to match their record.
MVP – Kershaw: This would go to Kemp if he didn't miss nearly 1/3 of the season, or Ethier if his SLG% didn't drop nearly 100 points in the second half. Just another 220+ innings of stellar pitching by the lefty stud.
Anti MVP - Chris Capuano: Still finishing with solid numbers, but a near 2 point raise in ERA after coming back down to earth in the second half sure didn't help things. Honorable mention goes to Matt Kemp's hamstrings.
14: Chicago White Sox
MVP – Alex Rios. We’re living on a backwards planet when Alex Rios was the best player on a team that stuck in the playoff hunt until the last week of the season.
Anti-MVP – Gordon Beckham: Man how disappointing has this guy been after his breakout rookie season? A shame too, he could’ve been a star.
15: Arizona Diamondbacks
Very average year after building up expectations with their 2011 late season urge, thanks to some disappointing regressions from some of their big names.
MVP - Aaron Hill: Stellar under-the-radar season to help prove his performance once traveling to the desert in 2011 was no fluke.
Anti MVP - Justin Upton: 2.5 WAR just flat out isn't cutting it for a player who isn't even a full calendar year separated from being an MVP contender.
16: Philadelphia PhilliesEdited By: JKoblyn Oct 4th, 2012 at 04:58 AM
MVP – Carlos Ruiz: In a big year for offense from the catcher position, Carlos Ruiz put his name in any conversation that starts behind Yadi.
Anti-MVP: Placido Polanco - he epitomizes the 2012 Phillies - broken down, old, and tired. If he ever plays another MLB game, I'll walk to New Haven and slap the joint out of AMartin's lazy ass mouth.
17: Milwaukee Brewers
MVP – Ryan Braun: Did he do roids? yes. Did he get away with it because he is white? yes. Is there anything better to do after a game in Milwaukee than shoot yourself in the ass with a needle? No.
Anti MVP - John Axford; was supposed to be a strength, but was a nightmare all year in that dump of a city. What a clown too - every time I see this idiot's mug, I wish Jeffrey Dahmer performed encores. Did I mention Milwaukee is a dump?
18: Pittsburgh Pirates
MVP - Andrew McCutchen: To pull from ye olde cliche handbook, he is a real 5 tool stud; the Yankees future is looking bright.
Anti MVP - Erik Bedard: being released by the Pittsburgh Pirates is like getting rejected by the girl with the neck halo.
19: New York Mets
MVP – David Wright:Between losing Reyes, the Madoff mess, and Ike going CPT on the start of the season, Wright was out there day after day playing as if he was actually proud to be wearing a Mets uniform; no easy task.
Anti-MVP – Tsxxx04: You can’t just up and quit when times are tough.
20: Toronto Blue Jays
If their entire rotation hadn’t fallen apart, they might have been able to make things interesting for Baltimore and New York down the stretch.
MVP – Edwin Encarnacion: Huge season, especially with the absence of Joey Bats. 42 HR and an OPS of .941.
Anti-MVP – Ricky Romero: 9-14, 5.77 ERA. Yeah I know, LOL W/L and ERA, but let’s shelf that for a moment and just LOL Romero instead.
21: San Diego Padres
Better than expected, but they still have a pretty good way to go.
MVP - Chase Headley: Pretty obvious choice. His name will be an interesting one to follow over the next year or so.
Anti MVP - Cory Luebke: Sub-par performance and a short season after building up hope with a breakout 2011 campaign.
22: Seattle Mariners
Need offensive help in the worst way. This is a club that is stacked with enormous talent at starting pitching, Taijuan Walker, Danny Hultzen and James Paxton all have the potential to make huge impacts at the big league level, but with the exception of Mike Zunino, I just don’t see a lot of impact bats in their system.
MVP – Felix Hernandez: (no writeup needed)
Anti-MVP – Ichiro Suzuki: Oh, so you wait until you’re on the Yankees before you start to hit?
23: Kansas City Royals
MVP – Alex Gordon: Happy for the Royals that this guy panned out. Not much to get excited about on this team
Anti-MVP – Jeff Francoeur: Like I would pick anyone else
24: Boston Red Sox
This season has been the worst thing I have ever had to go through as a sports fan. Can’t wait for them to sign Hamilton in the offseason for 7 years, $146 million.
MVP – John Lackey: Never has not being there meant so much. How much more of a shit show would 2012 have been with him on the hill every 5 days?
Anti-MVP – Jon Lester: Maybe Beckett peer-pressured him into fried chicken and rally beers last year, but with all the talent he has shown over the years, he should have come into 2012 with something to prove. Instead, he left fans feeling like Ving Rhames in Pulp Fiction after Zed had his way with him, but there was no rescue from Bruce Willis.
25: Minnesota TwinsEdited By: JKoblyn Oct 4th, 2012 at 04:59 AM
MVP – Joe Mauer: This guy takes so much shit from everyone here in Minneapolis, and he continues to be one of the best hitters in the game. A damn shame that people here think he sucks.
Anti-MVP – That entire goddamn pitching staff: I watched this team a lot. They didn’t have a single starter who profiles above a 4-5 starter. There aren’t enough bad things I can say about this pitching staff.
26: Miami Marlins
MVP – Justin Ruggiano : In a year that started off on the wrong foot with Ozzie's mouth, and kept on going with Stanton's injury and general lack of effort, Ruggiano took full advantage of the chance to revive his career. Good for him.
Anti-MVP – Heath Bell: it's hard to blow 8 saves while converting less than 20, but with the 2012 Marlins, anything is possible. When you get rid of Hanley Ramirez, and your team IQ actually goes down, an October date is unlikely.
27: Colorado Rockies
Talk about a mess. Hard to think that it was only a couple years ago when this team was actually good.
MVP - Carlos Gonalez: Not his best year, but still edges out Fowler for the honors.
Anti-MVP - Troy Tulowitzki: You're gonna need the best short stop in the game to stay healthy if you have any expectation of competing with this team. Honorable mention to the whole starting rotation.
28: Cleveland Indians
MVP – Carlos Santana: He seems to be a good hitter. And that’s…about…it.
Anti-MVP – Ubaldo Jimenez: I remember watching him pitch in the playoffs when he was a rookie and thinking he was the next Verlander. And then he had a really solid couple of years, and then Cleveland dumped their entire farm system without realizing there’s something seriously wrong with his arm. I usually make fun of guys who suck, but this Ubaldo thing is sad.
29: Chicago Cubs
MVP - Alfonso Soriano: He's the gift that keeps on giving; does he give a shit today for some reason, or is this a day where he stands like a statue as the ball lands 1 foot to his left? Maybe one day he'll think back and wonder why he didn't care enough to become a HOF player - somehow, I doubt it.
Anti MVP – Volstad: don't know his first name, but his stats are ugly; how is he in the majors?
30: Houston Astros
MVP – Jose Altuve: He'd probably have a lot of intangibles if he was on a winning team. 10 years from now, you'll pull into a parking lot, and the guy taking your keys will look vaguely familiar - tip him that extra buck; he once was the only good thing on a 107 loss team.
Anti MVP – Jordan Schafer: how many NL Only FBB free agent budgets did he bust when he ended opening week with a .348 average and 3 steals? Hard to rank them as I've seen Houston play just slightly more than JKoblyn has seen the DBacks. The one game I saw was pretty ugly tho. These fans deserve a Super Bowl.
Mike Trout – 4 votes (Cabrerra)
AL Cy Young
Justin Verlander – 3 votes (Price)
Mike Trout – unanimous
Buck Showalter – 3 votes (Melvin)
Buster Posey – 3 votes (Braun, McCutchen)
NL Cy Young
(tie) Gio Gonzalez and Clayton Kershaw – 2 votes (Dickey)
Bryce Harper – 4 votes (Miley)
Davey Johnson – 3 votes (Gonzalez, Bochy)
Wait, so I was the only one who voted for RA Dickey?
I'm pretty shocked - seriously
Well my prediction about the red sox was wrong, 4th place would have been something to write home to mama koblyn about.Edited By: AMARTIN1181 Oct 4th, 2012 at 05:27 AM
whoever voted for mccutchen for mvp is stupid
good work koblyn, u write well. Quit your day job so we can do ill shit in torrington.
two people picked gio gonzalez over dickey ?
quick explanation plz
I feel like most of these MVP/LVP picks are just straight trolling.Edited By: Mkind16 Oct 4th, 2012 at 06:13 AM
Reds: LOLWAT? Chapman, Latos, Cueto, and Ludwick all had ridiculous years. Who the hell is Ryan Hanigan?
Braves: Nice bounceback for Heyward, but how the hell is their MVP anyone other than Medlen or Kimbrel? As for LVP, I'd still take 9 Brian McCann's before I took 1 Dan Uggla.
Dodgers: Picking Capuano as LVP when the team had probably the most talked about trade season in baseball history, and still couldn't hit a lick in September is baffling. Gonzalez, Victorino, and HanRam should co-own the honors here.
Mets: Since when does David Wright throw a knuckleball?
I still think I'd rather pay Tsxx $16 million to play LF than Jason Bay next year (I'm quite sure he won't make the opening day roster though!).
I can't wait to quote this thread when they announce Dickey as Cy Young winner..and then I can't wait to quote that post next off-season when we're lamenting on the $50 million we'll still owe him for his new contract.
Melvin and Showalter should share MOTY. Both were equally great this year and are equally deserving. For Showalter, for his team to win so many one-run games and extra inning games, and to win as many games as they did with such a tiny run differential...that says a ton about the strings he pulled as a manager. On the other hand, you have to hand it to Melvin (always LOVED him as Mariners manager and thought he never should have been fired) for getting his guys to play the way they did. They played with an energy and grit that stem from the top down. The way the Yanks complained about their "lack of professionalism" is the kind of enthusiasm that can propel a young team to win.Edited By: marinersheep Oct 4th, 2012 at 06:42 AM
And WTF at one person out of five picking Dickey?
Dodgers LVP was Juan Uribe ainec. Baseball reference him I'm not going to pain myself by looking up his final numbers.
Angels LVP was Mike Sciosica.
I swear to fucking god, I love Trout but if you don't give the MVP to a guy who's actually in the playoffs and won the triple fucking crown for the first time in 45 years, you're fucking retarded.
Can't believe David Price isn't getting more CY love
Valentine for MOTY
Even if he was healthy all year, Carpenter is no longer an ace. Was he even a top 20 pitcher last year? Or the year before?
Remember when QW said he was a homer, but also realistic...
yeahhhhh about that. You are driving me to root for the Braves, and the Braves are my least favorite MLB franchise (LOLMets are a close second but they are almost as irrelevant as St. Louis sports).
I think it would be cool to see who each of the other 5 rankers voted for.
Just so all the WARtards know where to point and laugh, I was the one who voted Cabrera MVP. Looked at your fancy WAR, saw Cano ahead of Cabrera, and stopped looking.
Here was my ballot:
AL MVP - Miguel Cabrera
AL Cy Young - Jered Weaver
AL ROY - Mike Trout
AL MOTY - Buck Showalter
NL MVP - Buster Posey
NL Cy Young - RA Dickey
NL ROY - Wade Miley
NL MOTY - Fredi Gonzalez
This is going to be a great AL MVP vote, we should get a pretty good idea how much consideration advanced stats are being given these days in the MVP discussion.Edited By: jtown1010 Oct 4th, 2012 at 02:49 PM
I would be pretty shocked if MCab doesn't get it with a triple crown, but we will know who's looking past the counting stats based on how many 1st place votes Trout gets.
Also, Kimbrel was the Braves MVP imo, and he had a pretty epic season that I think should get Cy Young consideration.
One of my favorite posters on another Braves Forum posted this on 9/15:
"Some current historical rankings for Kimbrel '12, not counting today's performance:
FIP: 0.87, #2 all time (Gagne '03 - 0.86)
xFIP: 0.86, #1 since 2002, when xFIP started being calculated (#2 is Gagne '03, at 1.18)
K/9: 16.73, #1 all time (Jansen '11 - 16.1)
K%: 51.0%, #1 all time (Chapman '12 - 45.4%, Gagne '03 - 44.8%)
WHIP: 0.66, #3 all time (Eckersley '89 and '90 - 0.61)
Kimbrel's FIP compared to the career bests of some decent relievers:
Kimbrel 2012: 0.87
Eckersley 1990: 1.34
Papelbon 2011: 1.53
Smoltz 2003: 1.54
K-Rod 2004: 1.64
Wagner 1999: 1.65
Rivera 1996: 1.88"
Kimbrel has kept that pace up and even improved his strikeout rate if you can believe that (2 4K innings since then!).
Kimbrel just had one of, if not the greatest season in the history of baseball for a reliever.
Question for all the WAR guys; you have Cano ahead of Cabrera on your MVP ballots, right?