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  1.  
    Originally Posted by JRoth15 View Post

    And I will take the bet if you make it 8.5.

    It is clearly too much to ask for the 13th best team in the NFL to go 3-4 the rest of the way. Stop trying to steal his money.
  2.  
    Originally Posted by JRoth15 View Post

    I have nothing against the Bears at all...they just aren't a good football team.

    I don't understand why you can't wrap your head around it. They lost week 1, and got gift-wrapped the game. Otherwise they are 5-4 and would be lucky to get to seven wins on the season.

    Is a 7-9 team a good football team to you??

    And I will take the bet if you make it 8.5.

    you're already backtracking
    Edited By: XXEDPXX Nov 16th, 2010 at 09:00 PM
  3. I hate the Bears

    I also ranked them 13th.

    your point is...
    Edited By: Futon Nov 16th, 2010 at 09:02 PM
  4.  
    Originally Posted by XXEDPXX View Post

    you're already backtracking

    and you are scared to bet that your precious Bears will win 3 out of 7 the rest of the way....as long as we are keeping score
  5. lol... 8.5 seems fair.

    He is saying they are 8-8 at best... you are saying they are better. Put your money up, or move along.
  6.  
    Originally Posted by BigGunX View Post

    No one has an answer for Vick, and I'm not sure that there is one. This is not the same guy who had glaring weaknesses in his first 5 years in the league.

    the way he's playing right now, he's Steve Young with an extra gear.... that is just sickness. There really is no answer if he maintains it.

    Similarly, Dez Bryant is Michael Irvin - with speed.
     
  7.  
    Originally Posted by XXEDPXX View Post

    yes, of course its my bad reading skills. has nothing to do with your arguments not making any sense

    dude,have you noticed the guys who you think you are siding with havent agreed with a word you have said? if anything they have had to correct you at certain times its just that you're not smart enough to pick up on it. i dontt hink at one point throughout his thread anybody has agrred with you about anything you have said. half of what you are saying isnt even in accordance to what the others are saying.
  8.  
    Originally Posted by XXEDPXX View Post

    dude,have you noticed the guys who you think you are siding with havent agreed with a word you have said? if anything they have had to correct you at certain times its just that you're not smart enough to pick up on it. i dontt hink at one point throughout his thread anybody has agrred with you about anything you have said. half of what you are saying isnt even in accordance to what the others are saying.

    Did you just start arguing with yourself? EPIC
  9. I know the rankings are just opinions but lets use the bears-packers game as an example, national game where everyone saw how bad the packers played. Unless you can watch each game how sure are you that you are not missing more games like this? I watch the browns each week and they are a 3-6 team, looking better for the future but not that good of a team.
  10.  
    Originally Posted by Bob Futon View Post

    Did you just start arguing with yourself? EPIC

    lol, this.
  11.  
    Originally Posted by Jaybone2315 View Post

    lol... 8.5 seems fair.

    He is saying they are 8-8 at best... you are saying they are better. Put your money up, or move along.

    wtf? he's the one that said 8-8. lol at trying to turn it back on me. he said they would be lucky to get to 8-8. i ask for a bet and he backtracks yet im the person who needs to "put my money up, or move along." ok

    i am putting my money up. he is the one backtracking. of course you see this but you're gonn try nd spin it how you want just like the rankers have done
    Edited By: XXEDPXX Nov 16th, 2010 at 09:11 PM
  12.  
    Originally Posted by Bob Futon View Post

    Did you just start arguing with yourself? EPIC

    he might just win the argument now...well, at least it will be a tie
  13.  
    Originally Posted by Bob Futon View Post

    Did you just start arguing with yourself? EPIC

    lol, how did i do that? and what i said makes it funnier.
    Edited By: XXEDPXX Nov 16th, 2010 at 09:12 PM
  14.  
    Originally Posted by FenwayKing View Post


    11. Chargers- To all Chargers fans; I'm sorry. You guys are going to win the division again. Can't wait until we do this again next year. Phillip Rivers for 2010 MVP. Love, Futon.

    accepted.........And everyone gets to watch us on Monday night this week, enjoy
  15.  
    Originally Posted by tdoc6 View Post

    I know the rankings are just opinions but lets use the bears-packers game as an example, national game where everyone saw how bad the packers played. Unless you can watch each game how sure are you that you are not missing more games like this? I watch the browns each week and they are a 3-6 team, looking better for the future but not that good of a team.


    I could watch a leading pyschics researcher orate for hours on the mechanics of the universe and still not know what I just heard/watched
     
  16.  
    Originally Posted by Bob Futon View Post

    I hate the Bears

    I also ranked them 13th.

    your point is...

    How can you hate the Bears? How do you muster such strong feelings for a team that is so irrelevant? Thats like hating Wake Forest football. I forget that the Bears are in the NFL most of the time.
    Edited By: jasmith85 Nov 16th, 2010 at 09:13 PM
  17.  
    Originally Posted by jasmith85 View Post

    How can you hate the Bears? How do you must such strong feelings for a team that is so irrelevant? Thats like hating Wake Forest football. I forget that the Bears are in the NFL most of the time.

    I do also but then I come into OT and they are the star of the fucking show.

    I just thought about it and now I am willing to give odds.

    If anyone wants to bet that the Bears will make the playoffs, I am giving 3-2 odds. Should be a gift, considering that they are 6-3 and in 1st place right now.
  18. I hate Jay Cutler I guess would have been more accurate
  19.  
    Originally Posted by jtown1010 View Post

    I would be surprised if ATL goes anything worse than 12-4

    The remaining schedule:

    @ St.Louis
    vs. Green Bay
    @ Tampa Bay
    @ Carolina
    @ Seattle
    vs. New Orleans
    vs. Carolina

    that's a somewhat favorable schedule, with the two Carolina games.... 12-4 is a possibility. I figure they will lose to either GB or NO at home and at least one road game. However, I could definitely see them losing 3 total and finishing 11-5. Tampa, Seattle and St Louis will all be challenging road games.
     
  20. lol @ that guy stepping on his crank and angle shooting for another half point.
  21.  
    Originally Posted by Stockage View Post

    lol @ that guy stepping on his crank and angle shooting for another half point.

    im not even sure what that means but i assume your talking about jroth
  22. correct me if im wrong but i believe browns attempted passes on 1st down AND 2nd down (colt mccoy was sacked on that play) then ran on 3rd down.
    Edited By: ibled4thereds Nov 16th, 2010 at 10:14 PM
  23.  
    Originally Posted by ibled4thereds View Post

    correct me if im wrong but i believe browns attempted a pass on 1st and 2nd, colt mccoy got sacked on 2nd down.

    In complete on first down, Peyton run on 2nd down, Colt pressured and sacked on 3rd down
  24. oh ok my bad then
  25. Lol at ESPN having the Falcons #1. Blinded by records.
     
  26. Okay, I want Futon to know that I fully understand the concept of power rankings, I realize the many factors that go into putting the list together, my beef isn't there.

    It's with the constant conveniency in the arguments that are being made, you guys bring up that the Bears offense is poor, toward the bottom in the rankings. What's not mentioned is their defense and special teams, which both perennially and currently make them compete. You guys mention that they "should have lost to the lions" (this I won't even dabble with, my thoughts are known) but when the Jets go back-to-back weeks and barely beat the Browns and Lions, those are perceived as gritty wins. Patriots get blown out by the Browns, NBD, top 5 team in the NFL. Bears lose 17-3 to the Giants, get 2 QB's hurt by one of the top defenses in the NFL, and it's the worst loss in NFL history (and before you pounce on this, I realize how bad the game was, but look at it this way, they lost by 2 touchdowns, how did Washington look last night?). I could go on and on with all the flip-flopping you guys do. I'm just saying, I have no problem reading these power rankings if you guys would just post a disclaimer saying that the consensus feeling toward the Bears is that we hate them, make your biases known. Yes, I'm a Bears fan, as you are Pats fans, and Jet fans, and 49er fans. Fact of the matter: I watch the Bears every week, I know they're going to lose a handful of games here on the tail end of the season, but to completely write them off when they're 6-3 and played a near flawless game Sunday is pretty irritating. No, I'm not butt hurt, I just found it interesting to see them as low as you guys have them.


    Cliffs: Bears are better than the Browns and Raiders IMO

    Also found it funny that the line went from 8 to 8.5, I'd have a sense of worry in the back of my mind too, and that's all I really need to know about the absurndness of Bears hate there is in OT
  27. Can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree the bears are underrated. Cutler is not awful and they have no running game which makes his job much harder. The Bears defense on the other hand is one of the top units in the league. Say what you want about Lovie but he does a great job with those guys.

    Look out for the Saints coming off their bye week. 6-3 now and a pretty easy schedule. I expect them to finish 12-4. I think with all the parity in the league I'm going out on a huge limb, but I predict they hit their stride now.

    Ravens defense is a stinker. Upset special of the week : Panthers over Ravens. Well not really, but I wouldn't be shocked if the game was close. Ravens offense on the other hand is pretty tough when they get going, but time to give the damn ball to Ray Rice 25 times a game and then watch the passing game flourish. Love Ray Rice but they gotta stop bring magahee in so much.

    Giants are in trouble this week playing the powerhouse Philly team but let's not overreact. The cowboys played a good game and got lucky on a few key plays, but it's not as if the Giants are awful now because of one loss to a desperate team. Hate all you want Futon, but the Pats had a similar beatdown vs the Browns and I didn't talk no shit. Also look out for the Raiders next week Steelers

    1. Eagles
    2. Jets
    3. Pats
    4. Falcons
    5. Steelers
    6. Ravens
    7. Saints
    8. Packers
    9. Giants
    10. Bears/Titans
    Edited By: AMARTIN1181 Nov 16th, 2010 at 11:07 PM
  28. In regards to the Bears, I texted a friend weeks ago that this year's Bears are last year's Broncos. I stand by that statement, which puts me in agreement with most of the posters itt.

    I have zero animosity towards the Bears or the Broncos, fwiw.
  29.  
    Originally Posted by BigGunX View Post

    Lol at ESPN having the Falcons #1. Blinded by records.

    Whaaaat?

    Atlanta has wins @ NO and vBalt (In which they dominated 3 quarters, went to a prevent defense giving up the lead, and then marching down the field in a minute to win the game). Their only losses are @ Pit and @ Phi (both extremely good teams on the road, and the Pit one was an OT loss). They two wins against above average teams @Cle and vTB. They had a letdown game at home against SF after winning at NO, but still found a way to win. Their win v Cincy was one in which they were blowing them out for most of the game.


    Sure, they don't blow out many teams (except for lol Arizona), but so what? They run the ball well, they have a good passing attack, and they stop the run. They have problems in their secondary and it'll prolly be their downfall, but to act like them being ranked at 1 is lol is baffling to me. They have 2 quality wins (in comparison: NYJ has 1, NE has 3, Phi has 2, Balt has 2, Pit has 2, Ind has 1, GB has 2, NO has 1, NYG has 0, Ten has 2, and SD has 1 Note: Quality win is defined in this instance by wins over top 12 teams in our rankings). I just mean to say that most of the teams in our top 6 (highlighted in red) are interchangeable and to lol @ any of them being number 1 doesn't seem correct. They all have very similar bodies of work - and unlike others in the top six - Atlanta doesn't have a "bad" loss (meaning a loss to anyone outside of the same top 6).

    I'm not claiming Atl should be number 1 (I personally have them at #2), I'm just saying of all the correct reasons to lol @ ESPN rankings, Atl @ 1 doesn't seem to me to be one of them.




    The above is obviously just my opinion though. No disrespect intended.
     
  30.  
    Originally Posted by XXEDPXX View Post

    wtf? he's the one that said 8-8. lol at trying to turn it back on me. he said they would be lucky to get to 8-8. i ask for a bet and he backtracks yet im the person who needs to "put my money up, or move along." ok

    i am putting my money up. he is the one backtracking. of course you see this but you're gonn try nd spin it how you want just like the rankers have done

    So if I think they are going to go 8-8--which they should--why in the hell would I take your bet of the Bears having less than 8 wins.

    I said they would be lucky to get to 8 wins to stress how awful their schedule is down the stretch. It's hyperbole for some drama...just like you said you're trying to create discussion in the thread.

    I think they'll finish either 7-9 or 8-8, but it would be weighted heavily toward 8-8. Obviously I'm not going to be taking a bet that has them winning less than 8 games.

    If you'd like to take 8.5, then we can work something out.
    Edited By: JRoth15 Nov 16th, 2010 at 11:40 PM

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