[krispycream]

 

Originally Posted by cmval

If we didnt use delegates and instead used popular vote wouldnt Gore have been president instead of Bush?

You just made NCJ's head explode.

 

Originally Posted by WiCane

Imposing our will and war is always the answer. Forget that its bankrupting us and most of these countries we are bombing have very few means (if any) to do damage to our country.

It's funny how everyone forgets that when we invaded Iraq after the threat of WMD's, we found that they literally had no army, no way of attacking anything. It was a complete house of cards, bolstered only by Saddam's talk and posturing. Hmm. sort of like another four letter country that starts with I.

[norcaljeff 2010 OT Thread Kill Leader]

 

Originally Posted by time4badbeat

Romney 'voters' have every right to participate in the delegate process as well . . . for some reason they aren't or just not in the same number as Paul supporters . . .

Norcal - what is it about Romney that you like so much?

yes. and?

like about romney? lol. he's not obama, so he's got that going for him

 

Originally Posted by WiCane

Imposing our will and war is always the answer. Forget that its bankrupting us and most of these countries we are bombing have very few means (if any) to do damage to our country.

bombing terrorists is bankrupting us? lol no. so are we going to invade two more countries? I don't see where this massive new expense is. of course obama deficit spends more than both wars have already cost us, but whatevs.

 

Originally Posted by cmval

If we didnt use delegates and instead used popular vote wouldnt Gore have been president instead of Bush?

no. repub primaries use an electoral college system? maybe if delegates who were supposed to vote for gore suddenly swithed to bush en masse your analogy would be (more) correct

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

Don't see the issue with a fringe group yelling the loudest and being the most active getting the nomination over the will of the people...

don't you see? the fringe use the rules!!! the tiny percentage of the people are the real people!

[cmval]

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

yes. and?

like about romney? lol. he's not obama, so he's got that going for him

bombing terrorists is bankrupting us? lol no. so are we going to invade two more countries? I don't see where this massive new expense is. of course obama deficit spends more than both wars have already cost us, but whatevs.

no. repub primaries use an electoral college system? maybe if delegates who were supposed to vote for gore suddenly swithed to bush en masse your analogy would be (more) correct

don't you see? the fringe use the rules!!! the tiny percentage of the people are the real people!

yeah i knew my mistake after i posted it but same difference

[Dyzalot]

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

yup. so you think it is fine if the vast majority of repub voters pick romney but the delegates stage a coup - I mean, exercise their rights - to vote for someone else? (barring some giant scandal obv)

Yes. This is a republic, not a democracy. In a republic a small, passionate and informed minority can thwart the will of an uninformed and apathetic majority. There is a reason we have delegates and an electoral college and not just do it by popular vote.

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

Don't see the issue with a fringe group yelling the loudest and being the most active getting the nomination over the will of the people...

If it is truly "the will of the people" then why aren't the people showing up for Romney?

[WiCane]

The Iraq War has cost up to 3 trillion dollars total (the numbers vary considerably, some higher some lower), not to mention 4,482 Americans dead and 32,000 wounded. And for what exactly?

[norcaljeff 2010 OT Thread Kill Leader]

they already did show up for romney.

this shit is like having a race and the slowest person's friends volunteer to be judges and then after the race they proclaim his last-place ass the winner

what's next? romney got all the delegates...but he didn't get the people who carry the voting boxes! they changed the votes. oh, he got the vote carriers? well he didn't get the announcers! they declare rp the winner! oh, romney got the announcers too? did they get the voice-over dubbers and on-screen teleprompter guys? rp's still in this thing! maybe we can get the headline writers to make him potus!

[krispycream]

 

Originally Posted by WiCane

The Iraq War has cost up to 3 trillion dollars total (the numbers vary considerably, some higher some lower), not to mention 4,482 Americans dead and 32,000 wounded. And for what exactly?

Who cares about the dead and wounded? We have to keep NCJ safe from the jihadist's under his bed.. that's what important.

[Dyzalot]

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

they already did show up for romney.

Republican party is a private club who's rules state that the delegates elect the nominee, not the people who vote in the primaries. If Romney has "the will of the people" then why aren't they showing up to be delegates for him? Not Paul's fault that the Party doesn't decide the nominee simply by popular vote.

[LVpokerdealer]

I dunno why but when I think NCJ I think that picture of the fat lady in the wheelchair holding a gun and eating with the American flag background that is posted every now and then

[Zeppelin world traveler]

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

If it is truly "the will of the people" then why aren't the people showing up for Romney?

They did show support for Romney. He received 40% of the votes to Paul's 10%

[SerlinSteak19]

Even if you know nothing about Ron Paul's policies, he has proven that he is a successful leader that can motivate a new class of people to become interested in the political system so that there is real change because it takes more than the president alone to create change.

[norcaljeff 2010 OT Thread Kill Leader]

 

Originally Posted by krispycream

Who cares about the dead and wounded? We have to keep NCJ safe from the jihadist's under his bed.. that's what important.

[ ] gets it

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

Republican party is a private club who's rules state that the delegates elect the nominee, not the people who vote in the primaries. If Romney has "the will of the people" then why aren't they showing up to be delegates for him? Not Paul's fault that the Party doesn't decide the nominee simply by popular vote.

I assume all the rp fans pushed and shoved to get to the front of the line because some idiot told them they could steal what they can not win. You really don't think it's shady if rp gets the delegates and then they vote for him instead of who the party wants? rp, the model of integrity?

Dyz says: Always obey the rules in this one instance! lol

 

Originally Posted by LVpokerdealer

I dunno why but when I think NCJ I think that picture of the fat lady in the wheelchair holding a gun and eating with the American flag background that is posted every now and then

what a perfect example of what you do wrong in these threads

[SerlinSteak19]

Also NCJ, why didn't you condemn Romney when he won North Dakota despite coming in 3rd in the popular vote?

[time4badbeat]

You use the rules of the game to win it - wtf can't you comprehend about that?

After Paul wins you can always write in Romney

[Dyzalot]

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

They did show support for Romney. He received 40% of the votes to Paul's 10%

In a beauty contest. Why aren't they showing up to be delegates?

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

I assume all the rp fans pushed and shoved to get to the front of the line because some idiot told them they could steal what they can not win. You really don't think it's shady if rp gets the delegates and then they vote for him instead of who the party wants? rp, the model of integrity?

Dyz says: Always obey the rules in this one instance! lol

So you assume they didn't play fair, even though they've been warning everyone for months that this is actually what they would do. And since when do I say "always obey the rules"? RP is following the rules by the way, the rules of the Republican Party, not some made up "rules" in your head of what you feel to be "right".

[saxman]

Mrs NCJ : honey, why does the ceiling seem so close?

NCJ: there's a jihadist under our bed.

Mrs NCJ: oh my god honey, what ever shall we do?

NCJ: not to worry sweet thing - i took off his exploding underwear

[norcaljeff 2010 OT Thread Kill Leader]

 

Originally Posted by SerlinSteak19

Also NCJ, why didn't you condemn Romney when he won North Dakota despite coming in 3rd in the popular vote?

I don't know what this is

 

Originally Posted by time4badbeat

You use the rules of the game to win it - wtf can't you comprehend about that?

After Paul wins you can always write in Romney

can't comprehend? tf?

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

In a beauty contest. Why aren't they showing up to be delegates?



So you assume they didn't play fair, even though they've been warning everyone for months that this is actually what they would do. And since when do I say "always obey the rules"? RP is following the rules by the way, the rules of the Republican party, not some made up "rules" in your head of what you feel to be "right".

um, you are always against the rules. except here. that was my point

[WiCane]

Looks like we are sending troops to Yemen, the American public can rest easy.

[norcaljeff 2010 OT Thread Kill Leader]

the invasion has begun?

what do you think we should do about terrorists?

[Dyzalot]

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

um, you are always against the rules. except here. that was my point

And the Constitution... Besides, some states like in Maine the establishment wasn't interested in working with Paul to field a compromise slate of Paul and Romney delegates, it was going to be either all Romney or all Paul. Why shouldn't he fight for these delegates with superior votes when he can? What has been "right" or "fair" about the press coverage of Romney compared to Paul? What has been "right" or "fair" about Romney people handing out fake delegate ballots to confuse and split Ron Paul voters? What has been "right" or "fair" about the Republican party starting to help Romney against Party rules before he is the nominee? I think Ron Paul and his supporters have done an amazing job so far of not "abusing" any power they have gained by fairly using the system that was set up by the Party. In fact, they declined to use the majority they had in Nevada to suspend the rules and unbind the delegates. Of course, according to Republican Party lawyers, no delegates are really bound. Oops!

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

um, you are always against the rules. except here. that was my point

You'll also never find me against rules established by private organizations that are only binding to their members.

[norcaljeff 2010 OT Thread Kill Leader]

I am obv against any voting shenanigans. I have no problem with him winning delegates or trying to influence policy/positions. I would have a problem if he tried to undo the will of the voters as to their nominee. it would violate the intent, if not the rule of the, uh, rule.

edit: I concede the point re rules/constitution lol Edited By: norcaljeff May 12th, 2012 at 02:20 AM

[SerlinSteak19]

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

I don't know what this is

Romney came in 3rd place in the straw poll yet he received over 50% of the total delegates for the state at the state convention. The popular vote of North Dakota indicated they preferred to be represented by Santorum or Paul. The question is why has Ron Paul been treated as using some kind of unhanded strategy while Romney has received no negative publicity by doing the same thing?

[norcaljeff 2010 OT Thread Kill Leader]

ROMNEY WAS JUST PLAYING BY THE RULES LEAVE HIM ALONE ALRIGHT?

[time4badbeat]

I spent two entire Saturdays sitting in a boring convention so Paul could win Minnesota. Romney supporters are free to do the same.

What about the Virgin Islands - Paul won the popular vote but only got 1 of 7 delegates.

Funny how the media reports straw poll results as being the 'winner' for all primaries/caucusi except the Virgin Islands . . .

[norcaljeff 2010 OT Thread Kill Leader]

like I said, I'm against all shenanigans

[Brooklyn999]

NCJ's nervous about RP's chances now. I love it.

[Zeppelin world traveler]

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

In a beauty contest. Why aren't they showing up to be delegates?

Don't know, maybe they have jobs

[time4badbeat]

 

Originally Posted by norcaljeff

like I said, I'm against all shenanigans

What Paul delegates are doing is not 'shenanigans' it's playing the game how it is meant to be played.

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

Don't know, maybe they have jobs

Conventions are usually on the weekends . . . Edited By: time4badbeat May 12th, 2012 at 03:36 AM

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