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  1. relentless08 relentless08 is offline

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    Feb 21st, 2009 (2/21/2009 10:02pm)

    The headline in todays paper say, Whirlpool adding 100 jobs in Clyde.

    Awesome--a 100 "NEW" JOBS !!!! Lets dig deeper.

    CLYDE -About 100 new positions are to be added at Whirlpool Corp.'s Clyde plant.

    Gov. Ted Strickland applauded the announcement Wednesday of the $175 million investment to integrate new energy-efficient automatic washer platforms.

    "Whirlpool's plan to reinvest in Ohio and create jobs is terrific news," Strickland said. "Ohio has had a proud partner in the Whirlpool Corp. for more than a half-century, and the company's investment in the city of Clyde is a testament to the strong work ethic and manufacturing skill found in the community."

    Whirlpool laid off 250 employees in its Clyde division three months ago.

    The company did not say whether laid-off workers would fill the new positions, to become available in 2010.

    recap: laid off workers--250

    "NEW" jobs-- 100 ( can U start next year ?? )

    net total -- negative 150 jobs Gov. Stickland thinks negative 150 jobs is

    terrific news !!!!
  2. Lenny Lenny is offline lail henny!

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    Feb 21st, 2009 (2/21/2009 10:10pm) in reply to relentless08

    -150 > -250

    OP can't add?
  3. amymarie1967 amymarie1967 is offline

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    Feb 21st, 2009 (2/21/2009 10:17pm) in reply to Lenny

    Lenny can't add.

    Strickland is going to make everything appear to be fantastic, because he's up for reelection soon. He's going to do the same thing Granholm did last election in Michigan; everything's just great! We're growing! Yay!

    Oh i'm sorry, the budget requires we lay off and raise taxes, but thanks for reelecting me!
  4. Rocket Surgeon Rocket Surgeon is offline & brain scientist

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    Feb 21st, 2009 (2/21/2009 10:23pm) in reply to amymarie1967

    No, lenny is right, amy.

    If the company lost 250 jobs, and in the absence of any assistance, would have stayed minus 250 jobs, then they can be counted as gone for good.

    If assistance means they gain 100 jobs that they otherwise wouldn't have had, then they really are new jobs. Especially if it's 2 years between the time they were lost and the time the new ones come in.

    Either way it's just playing with words. I'm not saying I agree with the governor there, but i think the article is worded correctly.
  5. BigGunX BigGunX is offline Mr OT Party

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    Feb 21st, 2009 (2/21/2009 10:24pm) in reply to Rocket Surgeon

    I'm having deja vu.
     
  6. Rocket Surgeon Rocket Surgeon is offline & brain scientist

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    Feb 21st, 2009 (2/21/2009 10:28pm) in reply to BigGunX

    well then, mission accomplished
  7. FenwayKing FenwayKing is offline The Well: FenwayKing

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    Feb 21st, 2009 (2/21/2009 10:36pm) in reply to Rocket Surgeon

    OP can't spell
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    Feb 21st, 2009 (2/21/2009 10:41pm) in reply to relentless08

    While I agree with the sentiment of the OP, there's a whole lotta ironing in the thread title.
  9. Rocket Surgeon Rocket Surgeon is offline & brain scientist

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    Feb 21st, 2009 (2/21/2009 10:41pm) in reply to FenwayKing

     
    Originally Posted by FenwayKing View Post

    OP can't spell

    Right, like you can.
  10. towman1 towman1 is offline

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    Feb 21st, 2009 (2/21/2009 10:43pm) in reply to Rocket Surgeon

    Ya what do you think you are a spelling bee champ or something?
  11. relentless08 relentless08 is offline

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    Feb 21st, 2009 (2/21/2009 10:44pm) in reply to threebanger

    No they don't call it raising taxes--hes raising several "fees"

    for instants $10 30-days tags are going to $15

    and yes his name is Strickland--but we call him STICK-land

    cuz he sticks it to ya
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  12. Willywoo Willywoo is offline

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    Feb 21st, 2009 (2/21/2009 10:53pm) in reply to relentless08

    Here's how I see it. 3 months ago Whirlpool laid off 250 workers. Now whirlpool announces a 175 million dollar investment to integrate new energy-efficient automatic washer platforms.

    This change requires that it hire 150 workers. This seems like it means there is 150 new jobs compared to three months ago. I call taht good news, especially since the government did not create these jobs. They are jobs related to actually producing something that is intended to make a profit.

    I hope someone else noticed that this was not some government investment that created these jobs, but rather an investment by Whirlpool in this project.
  13. threebanger threebanger is offline

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    Feb 21st, 2009 (2/21/2009 10:54pm) in reply to relentless08

    Yeah, so this is awkward, but it's not his name you misspelled. The other part...
  14. amymarie1967 amymarie1967 is offline

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    Feb 21st, 2009 (2/21/2009 10:57pm) in reply to relentless08

    OK, what you guys aren't getting is the way Strickland keeps spinning everything. He does not tell it straight, he spins it to make things look just peachy here in Ohio.

    I think that's what the OP was trying to convey.
  15. Lenny Lenny is offline lail henny!

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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 12:48am) in reply to Willywoo

    Willywoo, this is true, it seems to be Whirlpool investing to respond to rising demand for energy efficient appliances.

    There is the potential for HUGE savings, especially in energy hogs like major appliances.

    Would you also agree that this decision may be influenced by government shift in tax inventives for investment in the "green" economy? It could also be influenced by tax invcentives for job creation.
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 12:56am) in reply to Lenny

    I don't know what the tax incentives are for these appliances or for Whirlpool for amking them, but I do know that when I purchased a new energy efficient washing machine last week I got a $75 credit on my city utility bill.

    I also know I bought it with no knowledge of the credit. I just bought the one I wanted. Like autos, people will buy on quality and need ahead of green, so if green fits in nicely with the rest, it will work, but people are not going to buy an energy efficient appliance or car if it doesn't fit their needs.
  17. Lenny Lenny is offline lail henny!

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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 1:02am) in reply to Willywoo

    This is true. Energy efficient appliances frequently perform simlarly to a Prius compared to a hummer and some people buy big honking appliances out of nostalgia/convenience, but a good washer/dryer/refrigerator combo can literally save you $100s a year.
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 1:06am) in reply to amymarie1967

    Everything IS peachy in Ohio! - Signed, 150 workers who have been out of work 3 months and have 3 months of unemployment benes left. Weeeee
  19. The Precedent The Precedent is offline

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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 1:17am) in reply to Willywoo

     
    Originally Posted by Willywoo View Post

    I don't know what the tax incentives are for these appliances or for Whirlpool for amking them, but I do know that when I purchased a new energy efficient washing machine last week I got a $75 credit on my city utility bill.

    I also know I bought it with no knowledge of the credit. I just bought the one I wanted. Like autos, people will buy on quality and need ahead of green, so if green fits in nicely with the rest, it will work, but people are not going to buy an energy efficient appliance or car if it doesn't fit their needs.

    You're def right that people aren't going to buy anything unless it fits their needs but green tax incentives like this are still effective at steering the consumer in a "green" direction. I walk into the store to buy a laundry machine: Machine A costs $500 and is energy efficient. Machine B costs 425$ and is of same quality as "A" but not energy efficient. With no "green" rebate/incentive, I buy "B" bc I'm a bad person. With that 75$ rebate, the decision then becomes simple and I get to feel good about myself. Steering the consumer by giving financial incentives to buy "green" is win win imo.
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    Feb 22nd, 2009 (2/22/2009 3:23am) in reply to relentless08

     
    Originally Posted by relentless08 View Post

    and yes his name is Strickland--but we call him STICK-land

    We do?

    I live in Ohio, never heard anyone call him that...
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