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  1. Katy TX Jiu Jitsu Instructor Paul Thomas of Paul Thomas MMA puts his advanced student against a new student with no grappling experience... After his student chokes out the newbie, he proceeds to laugh and mock him... Not only does he set a bad example to his other young and impressionable students, he doesnt even check on the young teen to see if he was seriously hurt...
     
  2. Kid probably came in talking a bunch of shit
  3. boobs
  4. Disclaimer it is not nearly as bad as OP makes it out to be
  5. I was expecting much worse.
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    Originally Posted by DaVols View Post

    Kid probably came in talking a bunch of shit

    It really doesn't matter if the kid came in talking shit or not really. As a sensai you shouldn't stand there and laugh with the students you should take your ass over there and see if he is ok.
     
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  7. Must have got his belts through Mail Order from CobraKai.com.
  8. this is borderline threadworthy for an MMA instructor forum.

    Here's a video of a karate instructor ordering one of his students to beat the absolute fuck (possibly murder, but probably not) out of an untrained mentally handicapped guy. Karate was serious business in the 80s I guess.

  9.  
    Originally Posted by keylight View Post


    Everyone in this video should be in prison.

     
    Originally Posted by DaVols View Post

    Kid probably came in talking a bunch of shit


    At the end of the video you can hear the instructor saying "When he wakes up he's gonna tell me he's been doing this for five years" or something like that. Either way that is in no way appropriate for the instructor to act. His student coulda killed that kid and he's just standing over him laughing.
     
  10.  
    Originally Posted by keylight View Post

    this is borderline threadworthy for an MMA instructor forum.

    Here's a video of a karate instructor ordering one of his students to beat the absolute fuck (possibly murder, but probably not) out of an untrained mentally handicapped guy. Karate was serious business in the 80s I guess.

    Some of the problems I have with the 1st vid are that kids( or teenagers) are involved and it looks like the sensai posted it on youtube himself. The 2nd vid is on another level.
    Edited By: adog26 Aug 5th, 2011 at 04:34 AM
     
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  11. that breathing at the end of the keylight video makes me nauseous.

    reading the description on YouTube made me feel a bit better, but that's just absolutely gross to hear. guy was clearly knocked out after the one knee strike...he falls back and drills his head on the pole. he's motionless on the ground, and proceeds to take 2 more straight heels to the jaw/chin/cheek/head. so sick.
    Edited By: JRoth15 Aug 5th, 2011 at 04:37 AM
  12.  
    Originally Posted by keylight View Post

    Wow... wtf is wrong with the dude in the white uniform. The guy is clearly just lying on the ground completely unconscious, and he just coldly and calculatingly decides to walk up to him and started smashing the side of his head in with his foot while the guy is out completely cold, motionless.

    Seriously wonder if the guy died. In the description (which btw is hilariously retarded that that guy thought he could somehow defend that guy's actions/explain away the ending of that fight), the guy even says he's not sure if that dude died or not.

    wtf...
  13. regardless of if the kid was talking shit, its not OK for him to be left face down unconscious like that EVER.

    As an instructor that guy is a fuckwit and I hope he gets shut down sometime soon. Not sure about the laws over there but here you are responsible for the health and safety of every one who is in your place of business and that would get him shut down, barred from running a business and charged with multiple offenses.
  14.  
    Originally Posted by BadAllergies View Post

    http://www.justice4kungfuguy.com/

    SOOOO fucking gross.

    I seriously think this might be the most wrong and just genuinely evil thing I've ever witnessed on youtube.

    Intentionally try to fucking kill a guy by stomping repeatedly on his head while he's lying completely limp, unconscious, his head lying on concrete like that. And then, once he's spurting blood and making fucked up noises out of his air passages from how clogged up with blood they were, possibly in serious risk of dying, or at least, possibly some serious longterm health consquences or permanent damage from what they did to him, to just instruct for them to drag him out back the way they did, and then apparently throw him into a dumpster, not call an ambulance or anything, not take him to a hospital, just leave him in a dumpster, while his health appears to be in extreme peril, what... the... fuuuuuuck....

    Beyond unreal
  15.  
    Originally Posted by DaVols View Post

    Kid probably came in talking a bunch of shit

    someone said,''he said he hadn't been defeated in 5 years.''.
    so i think you're right.
  16. Probably so, but that's still not even close to being an acceptable excuse for what they did towards the end of that vid though.
  17.  
    Originally Posted by bfactor View Post

    Probably so, but that's still not even close to being an acceptable excuse for what they did towards the end of that vid though.

    i think he was talking about the original vid in this thread...about the kid getting choked out.
  18. edit: nevermind I thought you guys were talking about the second vid, but now I see you guys were talking about the vid in the OP, which is obv way less bad by comparison. Even so, not really an excuse even for that one, but obviously is infinitely less bad in that one.
  19. meh it wasn't that bad. He had like 40 pounds on the smaller guy and didn't really perform that bad. Pretty common for really light guys to practice against less skilled guys who out way them. i used to wrestle with our 103 guy who i had 40 pounds on or so, he was state qualifier and i wasn't all that great but it made for a decent practice for him.

    the second video was funny until it wasn't. they should get thrown in a cage with an mma fight for 10 mins with no tap outs
     
  20. Did karate for 6 years when I was younger and I dont really mind what happened in the 1st vid too much. Dumbasses used to come into our dojo all the time looking for a fight. They would always try as hard as they could to seriously injure anyone they wound up fighting, while anyone fighting them would just basically try and submit them ASAP without doing any possible permanent damage. Was the teacher out of line a bit, sure... threadworthy, not at all.
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    Originally Posted by 3kingme3 View Post

    Did karate for 6 years when I was younger and I dont really mind what happened in the 1st vid too much. Dumbasses used to come into our dojo all the time looking for a fight. They would always try as hard as they could to seriously injure anyone they wound up fighting, while anyone fighting them would just basically try and submit them ASAP without doing any possible permanent damage. Was the teacher out of line a bit, sure... threadworthy, not at all.

    I have an Aikido and boxing background and currently train in mma and have never seen this from an instructor. Call me crazy but I hold a sensai to a higher standard then this. Maybe it's just me though....
    The sensai and the student in the 2nd vid should get their ass stomped like they did kung fu guy.
     
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  22. I had thought the vid was already posted here, but I guess I saw it someplace else.

    The student I believe is in jail for an unrelated crime. No charges have been filed against the teacher or anyone else, but I read in just some random forum that he was being harrassed, don't know if that's true or not. He's got a facebook page. I think this has been a story for a couple years now and no charges, so I guess he will get away with it.

    The most amazing thing is that the instructor is the guy who posted the video.
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    Originally Posted by keylight View Post


    The most amazing thing is that the instructor is the guy who posted the video.

    At first I noticed this too. But if it was, he wouldn't have titled it the way it is titled. Most likely someone just created an alternate youtube account specifically to post this video. My theory is supported by the fact that the account only has the one video.

    So, pretty sure it's not actually the instructor that posted this.
  24. Regarding the 2nd video --

    Its very standard if someone comes to a school to challenge a master that a top student will fight the challenger first. I have only seen it once and the master called out his top student by name and he immediately attacked the challenger. Once the dude was incapacitated, however, the fight was immediately over and no attempts were made to strike him while he was on the ground.

    You can tell from the 2nd video that the instructor is a huge POS and not very skilled as evidenced by

    1) How poorly his student fought
    2) How his student continued to attack when his opponent was prone and clearly unconscious
    3) the fact that someone was allowed to videotape it

    I've only studied under old school masters though, and neither of them had any affiliation with MMA or any televised exhibition fights. Rule #3 is probably very different for the MMA-affiliated schools/instructors
    Edited By: Glo4m Aug 5th, 2011 at 07:32 PM
  25. I didn't even look at the account, I believe there are several versions of the video on youtube. I'm just going by what I've read online which is obviously very unreliable, but it's a reasonable assumption that the teacher was the only one with a copy of the video. Supposedly he uploaded it then removed it, but others had already downloaded it and sent it to police.

    crazy guy didn't go there to fight. he just wanted to dance around and be crazy.

    can any older OTers confirm my suspicion that there were a ton of ridiculous karate assholes running around in the 80s after that movie? Similar to guys in affliction shirts now, but 10x more?
    Edited By: keylight Aug 5th, 2011 at 07:42 PM
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    Originally Posted by adog26 View Post

    I have an Aikido and boxing background and currently train in mma and have never seen this from an instructor. Call me crazy but I hold a sensai to a higher standard then this. Maybe it's just me though....
    The sensai and the student in the 2nd vid should get their ass stomped like they did kung fu guy.

    I was talking strictly about the 1st video, and like I said it was out of line but not threadworthy
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    Originally Posted by keylight View Post

    crazy guy didn't go there to fight. he just wanted to dance around and be crazy.

    yeah that was clear -- and it was pretty funny how he actually kept the karate dude at bay for so long. Against a skilled opponent that guy would've been down in seconds.
    Edited By: Glo4m Aug 5th, 2011 at 07:55 PM
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    Originally Posted by 3kingme3 View Post

    I was talking strictly about the 1st video, and like I said it was out of line but not threadworthy

    Thx for the info, good to know.......
    Edited By: adog26 Aug 5th, 2011 at 10:02 PM
     
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