Watching this program is blowing my mind. They have COLLEGE students that read on a 2nd grade level. This woman is saying she worked with players with IQ's as low as 60.

I mean I'm all for getting the best athletes into their school, but this is a joke. I mean I knew these kids weren't honors students, but god damn this is bad.

Florida State is being made to look like a serious clowshoe right now. I'm sure this goes on in other colleges as well, but FSU is def in for a shit storm during the offseason.

IDK if reading comprehension is the best indicator for intelligence, I'm assuming these people aren't working on their reading skills very much.

A low IQ seems to correlate with poor reading comprehension, why shouldn't these kids get the opportunity to work with specialists when they have a talent that generates revenue for the university?

Seems like a win-win to me.

Not shocking at all.

Sports is entertainment. Sports is big money. Sports does not care how smart you are if you can make some money for whitey.

I wonder how many OTers would look retarded if the IQ test were based on FSU's playbook?

If I read some shit like "X double Z buttonhook right triple Z" I'd probably be as confused as your average NCAA Defensive Tackle is by Calculus.

 

Originally Posted by jtown1010

I wonder how many OTers would look retarded if the IQ test were based on FSU's playbook?

If I read some shit like "X double Z buttonhook right triple Z" I'd probably be as confused as your average NCAA Defensive Tackle is by Calculus.

LOOOL... I seriously doubt any playbook would give me issues. I stare at fucking engineering diagrams all the time that are more complex than any playbook with only 22 players on a field (and rules about where they can and can't be).

A playbook is not hard reading. Hell, I doubt there are more than ten sentences on any two open pages.

 

Originally Posted by jesterwords

LOOOL... I seriously doubt any playbook would give me issues. I stare at fucking engineering diagrams all the time that are more complex than any playbook with only 22 players on a field (and rules about where they can and can't be).

A playbook is not hard reading. Hell, I doubt there are more than ten sentences on any two open pages.

I doubt you would have a clue what anything means.

You're not going to figure it out, they're going to ask you some made up name and expect you to know what play it's in referance to and there is no way you'll know the answer unless you've learned it.

A playbook is just a complicated language, like ebonics, or proper English. These "retarded" kids probably know all sorts of relevant shit about their hood or football, but probably aren't paying much attention in school.

There are some that probably have a higher capacity for knowledge than you or I, and you'll never know that from looking at their standard test scores.

Was a little shocked to hear that Cromartie could only read like one or 2 words out of a book in class

Yeah Jester I was just clowning around, but I do agree with the points you made. I don't have as much of a problem letting these kids play as some others do, though I certainly understand where they are coming from.

 

Originally Posted by jtown1010

So if I make up 3 plays, for instance:

1. Red-Dawg triple Z right

2. T-Bone split left Alpha Alpha Charlie Peter

3. Zulu Omega toast and cheese

You know what plays they refer to?

I'd be very suprised, but you could be the John Edwards of OT.

Give me the book, period, just like the player

You got the point, the player learns the playbook, and probably how to survive in the ghetto.

I doubt anyone that can learn a playbook cannot learn how to read "The Giving Tree" or whatever it takes to read on a 3rd grade level.

 

Originally Posted by Curtass

Who cares. Let them play football.

Why is this a joke to you? I mean if a guy has a huge learning disability and the only thing he excels in is sports, why should it matter?

If a guy has a severe disability but he is the best cook in town, would you go to his restaurant and try his food?

Does your IQ even matter if you are really good at a certain thing?
Everyone can't be 140+

It's like this movie quote from Man on Fire

"A man... can be an artist... in anything. In food, whatever... it depends on how good he is... at it. Creasy's art is death... he's about to paint his masterpiece."
RayBurn

THIS

the world needs ditch-diggers too as the dude from CaddyShack said. These guys are good at football, who gives a fuck that they're not smart?

Should FSU try to raise their academic level once they get to the school so they are better off afterwards? YES

But to get all down on them for giving a kid from the hood with no shot at a good life because he has a talent a chance is fine in my book. Or would you rather him stay on that 2nd grade level but instead be on the streets committing crime?

Of course we have to keep the myth that big-time college athletics is about being a "student-athlete" and all those other fucking stupid phony rules that lead to kids being suspended for no reason. The NCAA is a joke.

Studies have shown that environment has a ton to do with the development of children, intellectually, and academically.

Lets face it...

A) If you grow up in a suburb that is mostly middle class, with low crime, and traditional neighborhoods; good chance that the kids in that environment are going to be better prepared than someone who grow up in environment B.

(there is more money for schools in these neighborhoods, there are better schools, better teachers, and again less violent crime.)

B) If you grow up in an urban area, a lower class neighborhood, or even a slum (if you will), with high crime rates, high unemployment, drugs, gangs (possibly), and a lot of ways to get in trouble; there is a good chance that the kids in that environment are not going to succeed in school.

I think that it is usually pretty obvious when you meet people that if you talk to them for a while you can figure out who is smart enough to follow what you are saying, and who you have to change your wording to help them understand.

EX - I use different words when speaking to different people depending on what I believe their level of possible understanding might be of certain words. I do it unconsciously though, as it was pointed out to me by some people who are around me frequently.

(now keep in mind, I am dyslexic, my spelling was so bad and it pissed me off so much that I used to sit and memorize the dictionary, and with a thesaurus next to me, look up all the different words that were similar to the one I was memorizing. It was long and boring, but I learned a bunch of words and it really helped me improve my writing and communication.)

Would they be better at tests if their environment was different growing up?

The thing that upsets some people is that they are saying these kids cannot do the work requested of them from a University level course schedule. They are upset that resources are wasted on what they perceive as unqualified people getting "supposedly" a University degree.

The argument or issue, is not if they are good at tests, or smart, or whatever; it is that they cannot do the work being requested of them from a University level course schedule.

In some ways they have a valid argument.

 

Originally Posted by Donkallionaire

The biggest one.. their MAIN source of information is from a woman who is SUEING FSU.

lol, who the fuck is her attorney? they should be disbarred..

anyways, I didn't watch this, but the reporter who put the piece together is a UF grad. Nice work espn. And the timing - I can't lie, I do love the timing of this 3 year old story airing... coming after arguably the best couple of weeks for FSU athletics this decade, and def the best week of the football program in the 2000's. alas, haters gonna hate

 

Originally Posted by jesterwords

Would they be better at tests if their environment was different growing up?

The thing that upsets some people is that they are saying these kids cannot do the work requested of them from a University level course schedule. They are upset that resources are wasted on what they perceive as unqualified people getting "supposedly" a University degree.

The argument or issue, is not if they are good at tests, or smart, or whatever; it is that they cannot do the work being requested of them from a University level course schedule.

In some ways they have a valid argument.

NCAA football players generate income for the school, if the kid that could handle the academic work were able to run a 4.4 40 and bench 225 30 times he would get that type of treatment.

It's supply and demand, there are plenty of kids that have decent grades, not so many that can run a 4.4 40.