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    Originally Posted by XquiziVex View Post

    I think that's exactly what he said.


     
    Originally Posted by qjuice14 View Post

    I am sitting here typing this post with one hand and I have an apple in the other. When I finish typing, I am going to release my grip on the apple and see what happens. I think it is going to fall to floor and I am confident enough to make the statement "the apple will fall to the floor". I am sure that my opinion on this is equally as hilarious to you as the statement "there is no hell". You could then say "And you know it isn't going to float because...why, how? Just because all investigations in physics lead you to that conclusion doesn't mean that the apple will not float. You don't know dick, just like people who practice physics don't know dick. Lets just wait and see what happens to the apple."

    We can not know exactly what is going to happen. We can however be justified in the beliefs that we hold through observation and experimentation and can then develop a domain of expertise and reach objective conclusions. Why can I say that the apple will not float with as much confidence as I can say there is no hell? Because there is no evidence to suggest that either will occur and there is sufficient reason to believe that neither will occur.


     
    Originally Posted by Believer82 View Post

    that entire post makes no sense you have witnessed gravity and the apple falling .. you have never witnessed the other thing you speak of so therefore you cannot say either way.


    believer was right the first time. the apple can be observed, we know what will happen. we don't know what happens when someone (who believes in the right religion, obv) dies. Not saying there is any evidence or reason to believe, but it's redic to say that something we can see and know as a fact will happen with the same authori-tye as something we have no knowledge of. that's just silly
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    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    believer was right the first time. the apple can be observed, we know what will happen. we don't know what happens when someone (who believes in the right religion, obv) dies. Not saying there is any evidence or reason to believe, but it's redic to say that something we can see and know as a fact will happen with the same authori-tye as something we have no knowledge of. that's just silly

    this poster is not logical.
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  3. Within the realm of human comprehension/perception you are probably correct, but I can't be 100% absolutely sure.
    Edited By: XquiziVex May 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 PM
    Reason: quick reply owns my soul
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  4. you know nothing happens after we die the same way you know gravity? lol

    how?

    again, not saying anything does happen. it's just nonsense to proclaim the unknown as the same as easily observable facts.

    it's the same old atheist argument. they don't know there is no god just like beleievers don't know there is. they at least have lack of evidence on their side, but they don't know. and no one "knows" like they know mf gravity.
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  5. I am merely claiming that I don't know what I don't know, and that what I do know is probably limited by my primitive humanly understanding of what really is.
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    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    believer was right the first time. the apple can be observed, we know what will happen. we don't know what happens when someone (who believes in the right religion, obv) dies. Not saying there is any evidence or reason to believe, but it's redic to say that something we can see and know as a fact will happen with the same authori-tye as something we have no knowledge of. that's just silly

    From a scientific/philosophical standpoint each statement can be made as a representation of our knowledge on the subject. All we know about physics suggests that the apple will fall to the floor. Nothing about what we understand about the universe suggests that the apple will float in the current context.

    Similarly, nothing that we know about physics, biology, or neuroscience even hints at it being possible that there is an afterlife. What we do know suggests that it is not case.


     
    Originally Posted by Believer82 View Post

    that entire post makes no sense you have witnessed gravity and the apple falling .. you have never witnessed the other thing you speak of so therefore you cannot say either way.

    We have never witnessed dark matter. But we can measure its affects and as our understanding of it increases so will our ability to make predictions about it.

    But more to the point, this line of reasoning is pretty poor for someone who claims to be very logical. The person represented by the handle qjuice14 isn't really thinking what to type in this response. Rather, qjuice14 has an invisible elf - who lives off a strict diet of weasel soup - floating above his shoulder whispering precisely what to type into qjuice14's ear. The elf has a third person complex. Most people reading this post aren't going to believe this elf exists, but by your reasoning you have never witnessed the elf I speak of so therefore you cannot say either way.


     
    Originally Posted by Believer82 View Post

    nope I am correct in every argument where no one can prove either way... everytime

    No, you are not. To say an answer is unknown therefor anything is possible is flat out wrong. When people were unsure of what shape the earth was it was not possible that we could find the earth to any shape conceivable. The earth was the shape it was independent of what facts we knew.



     
    Originally Posted by Believer82 View Post

    lol I am very reasonable I agree with all the great minds of our lifetime I just understand that our perception of reality may not be true. as is obvious therefore anything is possible.. and if someone doesnt like me because of that your a fucking idiot

    It may be the case with existence that it is not possible for there to be a God, or it may be the case with existence that it is not possible for there not to be a God. Just because we can not definitively say whether or not there is a God does not make both options equally probable or even possible. The only thing it does if give a set of facts that correspond to our knowledge and of what we can conceive; Not what is or could be. I can conceive of a liquid that has all the same properties of water. It tastes like water, it makes up biological organisms in the same respect as water. However, it is made up not of two atoms of hydrogen and one atom of oxygen but rather 4 atoms of phosphorus and 17 atoms of chlorine. Just because I can conceive of this substance existing or possibly existing and nobody can prove that it doesn't exist does not mean that it is actually possible for this substance to exist.




     
    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    you know nothing [Jon Snow] happens after we die the same way you know gravity? lol

    how?

    again, not saying anything does happen. it's just nonsense to proclaim the unknown as the same as easily observable facts.

    it's the same old atheist argument. they don't know there is no god just like beleievers don't know there is. they at least have lack of evidence on their side, but they don't know. and no one "knows" like they know mf gravity.

    we do know, in a sense, the same we do with gravity. Our concept of gravity comes from our understanding of the world. We base it in scientific testing and discovery and we are prepared to adapt as our domain of facts alters. Our knowledge of gravity is just an interpretation of what we have observed and tested. Saying that there is no hell is the same type of claim. Granted we don't have nearly the same size domain of facts but the statement is still a statement that we can make based on what we do know and how it best conforms to reality. As we learn more, either relating to gravity or hell, these interpretations will either change or become more firmly established.
     
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  7. I'm not saying it's not a good educated guess, I'm just saying that saying there is no afterlife is not on par with saying the apple will fall. is there any evidence there is a hell/heaven/whatevs? not that I know of. I do know the apple will fall (assuming it's not a magic apple ldo), due to all the evidence that says yes and the 0 evidence that says no.

    meh, semantics. but still
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    Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd View Post

    I would love to hear you explain why qjuice's post was illogical.

    pretty funny to hear believer82 of all posters call someone out for being illogical... IMO qj is the single most logical poster in OT

    like how Game of Thrones books are much different than the show, OT qjuice is way different than real life qjuice, one of the most illogical fucks you could ever hope to meet.
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    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    is there any evidence there is a hell/heaven/whatevs? not that I know of. I do know the apple will fall (assuming it's not a magic apple ldo), due to all the evidence that says yes and the 0 evidence that says no.

    meh, semantics. but still

    For semantics' sake, actually the apple won't fall 100% of the time. Your response of "lol huh?" will pretty much make my point for me, but I'm glad you can say you "know" such a thing. It should make it easier for you admit you know there's no heaven/hell/whatevs in the face of zero evidence produced by billions of people who'd like to prove there's something after death.
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  10. the apple won't fall? link?

    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it will fall. 100% of the time. I hope I don't get my comeuppance!................
    Edited By: norcaljeff May 23rd, 2012 at 02:39 AM
    Reason: no ones goes out on a limp. imo
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  11. The whole world isn't so black and white lol. Any professor in the physics dept at your nearest university can tell you the apple won't fall 100% of the time. For the purposes of everyday life it sure helps to believe it will.

    You airballed on the apple falling/afterlife analogy. Qjuice wasn't trying to tie the probability of the apple falling to the probability of an afterlife. He was trying to express that you can "know" very little with 100% certainty, but in the face of overwhelming evidence, on earth, it's the best we can do to claim we know something is true.
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  12. THE APPLE DID FALL, if you seen it fall...
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    Originally Posted by norcaljeff View Post

    the apple won't fall? link?

    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it will fall. 100% of the time. I hope I don't get my comeuppance!................

    get off that limb or you'll fall 100% of the time.
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    Originally Posted by mattg1983 View Post

    You sure talk about logic a lot.

    I obv read the posts so I know what his general message is
     
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    Originally Posted by TheWacoKidd View Post

    I would love to hear you explain why qjuice's post was illogical.

    pretty funny to hear believer82 of all posters call someone out for being illogical... IMO qj is the single most logical poster in OT

    Waco 90% of my posts are to mess with people and piss them off online because I find it hilarious that people get so worked up and in fact can not like someone in real life over what they post in online forums!! I can fight and argue online with someone and I would never judge them in real life for some stupid online forum trash talking.
    Edited By: Believer82 May 23rd, 2012 at 03:31 AM
     
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  16. guys its just like if you had an apple with a staw n you poked the apple though wit it and a pebbl hadnt dropped through itd stop straw insid the apple because gravity cant apple
     
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  17. yes exactly!! gravity can't apple man, it just can't.
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  18. jeezuz dude, it's called an opinion.[/QUOTE]

    yep, a very sad, uneducated opinion. Where is that church anyway? Could it be the deep South, perhaps?
    Edited By: OldGrowth May 23rd, 2012 at 03:48 AM
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  19. the idiot is going to lose his Churches tax exempion for telling the church goers who to vote for. LOL
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  21. Here's an interview of a member of the congregation defending what the pastor says. Man, I really feel sorry for these people.
    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...nds-pastor.cnn
     
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    Originally Posted by mdshack14 View Post

    Here's an interview of a member of the congregation defending what the pastor says. Man, I really feel sorry for these people.
    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...nds-pastor.cnn

    That is so awesome. Ac trolls her very well. But fuck feeling sorry for them. Her and the pastor need to be put in an electric fenced area. Fat bitch should not be allowed to spoil the gene pool anymore.
    Edited By: phish42O May 24th, 2012 at 03:17 PM
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  23. fuckin Isaac Newton up in here
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