.319, .399 OBP, .587 slugging, 33 HR, 98 RBI

pretty impressive but Miggy's numbers are sicker. guess it goes to your definition of MVP
.340, .435, .643, 33 HR, 107 RBI

I don't like the MVP Award tho. They should give to to the Player of the Year. It's not Cabrera's fault the Tigers fell apart. He deserves it.

Sale was impressive getting out of that jam. Can't imagine having to save a game as a 21-year old rookie who almost went straight from the draft to a team in a pennant race.

the sox finally found a way to will themselves past a super shitty team, hope it's not too late tho

As a Twins fan I hate the sox but I got nothing but love for Konerko.

He certainly deserves votes for MVP and should be in the top 5 regardless of how the sox finish.

too bad white sux wont make playoffs

Konerko is having a monster year. He's one of those guys I hate because it seems like he's always hitting home runs and getting on base. Thome used to be that way, just an absolute Twins killer. That said, Konerko is a 1B/DH so he offers very little defensive value which means he's less valuable than guys like Hamilton, Cano, Longoria, and Mauer.

I do agree that the outcome of the AL Central shouldn't be taken into account when assessing his MVP candidacy.

 

Originally Posted by ttk1149

.995 fielding pct and numerous outstanding plays to save others' throwing errors

Fielding pct. is not a good way to look at who is a good fielder or not because a players' range has no effect on it. And pretty much every first basemen makes 'outstanding plays' to save others' throwing errors. UZR is a much more reliable (probably the most reliable) defensive stat and Konerko is ranked last among first basemen.

But besides that, first basemen in general are less valuable than catchers or centerfielders or second basemen (or pretty much every position) because its much easier to find a 1B who can hit than it is to find a C, CF, or 2B (or SS or 3B) who can hit. Hence the reason why guys like Mauer, Cano, Longoria, and Hamilton are more valuable.

 

Originally Posted by dolphin13

I agree

Ha, I actually love watching White Sox games. Hawk cracks me up whether the Sox are winning or losing. Like when he 'bleeps' himself or says 'dadgummit'. He's great.

contract year... just like 05.

 

Originally Posted by ttk1149

if you think Paul Konerko is a poor, or even think he isnt in the top 6 fielding 1st basemen in baseball, you're a moron

Well he doesn't have any range, so that kind of works against him. Any MLB-level first baseman can field a ground ball or pick a bad throw. You don't actually watch Konerko play first base and think he's a top-6 guy in the league, right? He's pretty immobile over there.

 

Originally Posted by Ozzie

range? wtf... he plays 1st, not ss.

Obviously not as big a deal, but you don't want a guy who looks like he's stuck in cement...which Konerko is. Range is what separates good fielders from bad fielders, as most guys can field and throw by the time they get to the bigs.

 

Originally Posted by brendo27

Ok had to say something...sfobv a canadian will use a hockey reference but whatever.... Isn't that like saying Luongo is a shitty goalie because he has a shitty slapshot? I mean "range" is very low on the totem pole of abilities for a first baseman...hence why he plays first base...if he was super mobile he would be playing 2nd or ss imo! Seems like u have it out for Konerko by saying he doesn't have range, when he is very strong in other aspects of fielding which are more important at that position!

When I mentioned Konerko's defensive value earlier I wasn't talking about how good or bad he was at first base - I was talking about how 1B are less valuable because its easier to find a 1B who's a good hitter (think of all the guys who play 1B who are great hitters - there are a lot of them).

But since we're talking about his actual fielding ability, Konerko rates toward the bottom of the league in that category. He's very slow, which limits his range, and doesn't have great hands. Guys like Youkilis and Gonzalez and Pujols and Teixeira are fantastic defensively, which just adds to their value. Konerko isn't even close to those guys in terms of defensive ability.

And I think its a little ridiculous to say I have it 'out' for Konerko when I'm about as objective as you can be.

 

Originally Posted by md7156

1b is a power position....if you don't put up big power numbers you won't be playing 1b in the big leagues. Konerko is a top 5 1b hands down.....Pujols being the hands down best. I'd take konerko over Tex and Youk any day of the week. Adrian Gonzalez, if not for playing in SD would be Pujols like imo. Cabrera is having a monster year, but has had his problems in the past.

Konerko puts up big numbers, but other guys do too. My point was that Konerko shouldn't be mentioned in the MVP discussion because there are a TON of 1B in the league who hits like him. Pujols, Youkilis, Teixeira, Morneau, Cabrera, Gonzalez, Votto...the list goes on and on. Not saying that he isn't good, but the offensive level for 1B is much higher than it is for other positions. Not to mention the fact that he's not as good defensively as any of the guys I named.

 

Originally Posted by ttk1149

You're argument is so retarded and ever changing its not even funny. Bottom line: Konerko is mashing the ball, carrying a team on his shoulders in a pennant race, and, despite what you seem to think is true, is a very above average 1B defensively. Range for a 1B? Really?

Every first basemen can field a ground ball and pick bad throws. The way to separate them is by range. Konerko is cleary - CLEARLY - inferior to guys like Pujols, Gonzalez, Votto, Youkilis, etc., etc., in that department. He's hitting the ball very well, yes. His team is in the pennant race because they have ridiculously good pitching. How can you even begin to back up your statement about Konerko being good in the field?

I think he finishes somewhere around 4-5 in the MVP race regardless of his range.

I understand what you are saying and I don't necessarily disagree, I just think that hes going to get the votes whether he deserves them or not.

There is no way he breaks top 3 imo but I can see him finishing around 4th or 5th.