repostaments, who gives a shit, and how is a bull pen coach going to be able to tip the batter the pitches in a matter of seconds?

Sorry but its bullshit.

bull shit that the batter could get tipped from a camera, the bullpen coach, or anyone other than another player at 2nd base... its seconds between sign and pitch, and you know it.

These stories of stealing signs always make me laugh, 99% of them are total bullshit.

(Pitchers tipping their pitches is a totally different story though.)

<span>Why have the #Phillies been accused of stealing signs? "Because we beat them," Manuel said. "That's why. Keep crying."</span>

 

Originally Posted by Bob Futon

I hear the Phillies hired a new advanced scout

LOL You are seriously one of my favorite posters, fuckin' love it.

Stealing the pitch signs is not a matter of being able to relay it to the batter in that particular at bat or the next pitch even, it is a matter of collecting information on how an opposing team is pitching to that particular batter. it is information for future at bats against that pitcher or other pitchers.

Having said that, I laugh at other coaches in our 12 year old age group who go to great lengths to hide their pitch signs as they sit on their bucket at the dugout, like we are going to do anything with that information. Some of these guys touch their face, chin, ears, multiple times, nearly poke their eyes out for god's sake. We on the other hand let the catchers call a great portion of the game so they gain an understanding of what to do and why and when we do call pitches our signs are pretty simple two two touches one for the pitch and one for the location.

As for what Manual said, I seriously doubt Jim Tracy is a sour grapes guys so what he said is bullshit as it concerns the Rockies anyway. Obviously what they did is wrong and Manual is like most guilty parties who take the offensive when caught.

 

Originally Posted by Willywoo

As for what Manual said, I seriously doubt Jim Tracy is a sour grapes guys so what he said is bullshit as it concerns the Rockies anyway. Obviously what they did is wrong and Manual is like most guilty parties who take the offensive when caught.

I doubt Manuel is guilty. The man never minces words and never spews bullshit.

Hey, guess what?

Every team in the league looks at how other pitchers pitch players. Any good hitter can stand there after a game and tell you exactly what pitches were thrown to him in each at bat, what the count was, etc. A mediocre hitter may not be able to do that, but to also think that the Phillies are the only team in the universe of MLB to track pitches during a game, then you are mistaken.

I don't think that getting caught excuses it, just that the Phillies are not the first team to be accused of it, and they won't be the last.

I actually find it quite amusing.

good article about it from FOX...

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/R...warning-051110

Updated May 12, 2010 1:32 AM ET
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Major League <nobr id="itxt_nobr_2_0">Baseball</nobr> issued a warning to the Phillies on Tuesday concerning accusations that bullpen coach Mick Billmeyer was stealing signs during Monday night’s game against the Colorado Rockies at Coors Field.

"We have looked at the video and talked to the Phillies about the actions of their bullpen coach,’’ a Major League Baseball official told FOXSports.com.

"We found the evidence inconclusive on what was being done, but we have spoken to the Phillies about the situation, and the umpires have been told to be on full alert as to what is going on.’’

The Rockies are the second team that's filed a complaint about the Phillies, according to a source close to the situation. It's believed the New York Mets made a similar accusation after the Phillies knocked around Mets left-hander Johan Santana on May 2.
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The incident in Colorado was brought to light during the telecast of the Rockies-Phillies game on Monday night by FSN Rocky Mountain, which showed that with the Phillies hitting in the top of the second inning, Philadelphia bullpen coach Mick Billmeyer was using binoculars to look in at Rockies catcher Miguel Olivo.

The video also showed Phillies center fielder Shane Victorino in the dugout on the bullpen phone.

The Phillies claimed that Billmeyer was evaluating the Philadelphia catcher, according to a source, although the evidence wouldn't support that claim; Billmeyer was using the binoculars during the top of the second hitting, when the Phillies were hitting — which means Miguel Olivo of the Rockies was the catcher.

 

Originally Posted by Willywoo

They admit to using binoculars from the bullpen, but say it was to look at their own catcher, yet FSN has them on camera looking in at the Rockies catcher, not their own catcher. They got caught. Pretty simple and straight forward.

Exactly, can't bullshit your way out of this one. Just admit it.

Phillies cheat.

its not that hard to go ahead and switch up the signs mid game either... like I said, I don't condone it, but I am also in the camp that every MLB team has tried at some point to steal signs, and the Phillies getting caught doesn't make the team the pariah of MLB by any means.

 

Originally Posted by Da Donkey

Exactly, can't bullshit your way out of this one. Just admit it.

Phillies cheat.

How come every article I read on this from neutral sources say that stealing signs is as old as baseball.

Sure, Philly is the pariah of MLB and should be held up as the model for everything that is wrong in the game.

I'm totally on board with all that, but at least we have that World Series banner hanging up in the stadium.

 

Originally Posted by Willywoo

You are correct Jester but by stealing the actual signs you know exactly what they are trying to do against a hitter pitch and location. When you just observe the actual pitch you can only track the result and not the intent. And it is a much easier way to do it, unless you get caught.

lol,they could go into the clubhouse and relay the signals from homeplate from the tv, u guys are all just hating bc none of u guys can beat us

 

Originally Posted by tkeat1653

They have them on camera, using binoculars when the Phils were at bat. How can we possibly know what he was actually looking at?

Hell, there could have been an enormous blond with big tits sitting behind the backstop.

It's called circumstantial evidence.

Ernie goes into the kitchen to eat one of the cookies he baked that morning. He sees the cookie jar is empty. He sees the cookie monster standing next to the counter on which the empty cookie jar sits. The cookie monster has cookie crumbs on his face. Who ate the cookies? It could have been Miss Piggy. Well maybe not, does she have big tits?

 

Originally Posted by tkeat1653

Hell, there could have been an enormous blond with big tits sitting behind the backstop.

Gonna need proof to believe this

 

Originally Posted by s1nnr

lol,they could go into the clubhouse and relay the signals from homeplate from the tv, u guys are all just hating bc none of u guys can beat us

Not at all. I like the Phillies actually. And I'm pretty sure The Rockies just beat Halladay yesterday.