either that or he is hurt.

good. but big ben could do it...like u said, he already has.

 

Originally Posted by Ollie79

 

Originally Posted by CleeShay

yeah, it's allllll because of Ben. Has nothing to do with their depleated and shitty O Line forcing him to make decisions under pressure constantly or anything ...

I agree the OL doesnt help, but surely you recognise that A LOT of the sacks are due to Ben keeping hold of the ball for too long? Do you think a healthy Tom Braady playing in this team has as many sacks as Ben, or loses tonights game against the Colts for that matter (those INTs were crucial)?

I'm not saying Ben is a god or anything. I'm just saying that if you think Pit can';t win a super bowl this year because of Ben, then I think you are mistaken. They can't win a super bowl this year due to a bad and depleted OLine. Ben is a very good QB, but he sure as hell ain't no Brady/Manning/etc

If the Steelers get close to healthy, they are capable of winning the Super Bowl. Their offense was in shambles today.

 

Originally Posted by CleeShay

 

Originally Posted by Ollie79

 

Originally Posted by CleeShay

yeah, it's allllll because of Ben. Has nothing to do with their depleated and shitty O Line forcing him to make decisions under pressure constantly or anything ...

I agree the OL doesnt help, but surely you recognise that A LOT of the sacks are due to Ben keeping hold of the ball for too long? Do you think a healthy Tom Braady playing in this team has as many sacks as Ben, or loses tonights game against the Colts for that matter (those INTs were crucial)?

I'm not saying Ben is a god or anything. I'm just saying that if you think Pit can';t win a super bowl this year because of Ben, then I think you are mistaken. They can't win a super bowl this year due to a bad and depleted OLine. Ben is a very good QB, but he sure as hell ain't no Brady/Manning/etc

This is exactly what I'm saying although obv I could (and probably am) wrong. I just think that Ben is too cavalier and careless with the ball this year, and you wont get through the AFC playoff schedule (likely culminating in a match in Tennessee) with that type of QB.

The Ravens and Titans Ds would be all over QB play like that, as would any of the NFC East teams as has been shown this season already.

The rest of the Steelers team (esp their D) is definitely superbowl quality, I just don't see them making it unless Ben gets reined it, and the OL learns how to block.

"Ben" is a good QB, but nowhere near the great that people are already making him. I think I heard on PTI a couple weeks ago that now with Brady out, there isn't another QB you'd take ahead of him. Really? Are we sure about this? The guy takes way too many sacks (And while his o-line has sucked this year, many of the sacks have been his fault). He was careless today again and for what it's worth, sucked in the Super Bowl too (Seattle got hosed in that game)

id skip on j campbell and jay cutler, and for this year, id take ben over matt ryan. but the others are a bit better IMO. i'd also say that romo and rivers are in about the same league as big ben. big ben is a winner, something you cant teach.

the funny thing is, the steelers have the best back up QB in the NFL (byron leftwich). guy is super solid, im a colts fan and had to watch him play the colts 2 times a season for several years. this guy is a top 15 QB in the league, WTTFFF is he doing on a teams bench????? byron is soolllidddd.

 

Originally Posted by Ollie79

 

Originally Posted by FenwayKing

"Ben" is a good QB, but nowhere near the great that people are already making him. I think I heard on PTI a couple weeks ago that now with Brady out, there isn't another QB you'd take ahead of him. Really? Are we sure about this? The guy takes way too many sacks (And while his o-line has sucked this year, many of the sacks have been his fault). He was careless today again and for what it's worth, sucked in the Super Bowl too (Seattle got hosed in that game)

Ding Ding Ding

For the record, QBs I'd take ahead of "Ben" at the moment:

Drew Brees
Phillip Rivers
Matt Ryan
Both Manning Brothers
Donovan McNabb
Tony Romo
Jason Campbell
Jay Cutler
Aaron Rodgers

thanks for agreeing with me, but I can't go with all of your list. I can't rank Campbell or Rodgers ahead of Roethlisberger and Ryan will be better down the road, but you can't really put him there yet. A healthy Hasselbeck is close to even probably.

 

Originally Posted by Ollie79

 

Originally Posted by FenwayKing

"Ben" is a good QB, but nowhere near the great that people are already making him. I think I heard on PTI a couple weeks ago that now with Brady out, there isn't another QB you'd take ahead of him. Really? Are we sure about this? The guy takes way too many sacks (And while his o-line has sucked this year, many of the sacks have been his fault). He was careless today again and for what it's worth, sucked in the Super Bowl too (Seattle got hosed in that game)

Ding Ding Ding

For the record, QBs I'd take ahead of "Ben" at the moment:

Drew Brees
Phillip Rivers
Matt Ryan
Both Manning Brothers
Donovan McNabb
Tony Romo
Jason Campbell
Jay Cutler
Aaron Rodgers

LOL at Ryan, Campbell, Cutler, and Rodgers

 

Originally Posted by KneeG

I've been defending Tomlin all season but at some point he has to do something about Arians. They have a banged up qb, a bad pass blocking o-line, and he decides to chuck it 40 times when they have the lead the majority of the game. The defense is the superior unit so they need to play to their strength. The Colts 1st td was a lucky bounce and Ben handed them the last 2 td's. You cant keep putting the defense on a short field and expect to win. The defense gave them the ball with a 3 point lead late in the 4th and they didnt run it once. Same thing at the end of the 1st half, 3rd and 2 from your own 16 up 10 and they throw. Unless I have Tom Brady on my team I'm running it everytime. If you dont get it punt and play defense.

the colts won because they did not make many mistakes, no huge/costly mistakes...and they capitalized on the turnover by big ben. yes, the colts caught a few lucky passes but at the same time marvin was wide open twice for a TD and didnt make the plays he usually makes. imo, the colts just managed the game better and looked like they wanted this game a WHOOLLLEEE lot more. i think the steelers didnt take the colts as serious as they should have. they came out with a very basic game plan, the same game plan the colts saw their first 8 games. tomlin is better than that...at least i thought he was. the pats did the same thing against the colts last week, took them for granted and didnt make an unique changes to their strategy.

 

Originally Posted by Ollie79

 

Originally Posted by FenwayKing

"Ben" is a good QB, but nowhere near the great that people are already making him. I think I heard on PTI a couple weeks ago that now with Brady out, there isn't another QB you'd take ahead of him. Really? Are we sure about this? The guy takes way too many sacks (And while his o-line has sucked this year, many of the sacks have been his fault). He was careless today again and for what it's worth, sucked in the Super Bowl too (Seattle got hosed in that game)

Ding Ding Ding

For the record, QBs I'd take ahead of "Ben" at the moment:

Drew Brees
Phillip Rivers
Matt Ryan
Both Manning Brothers
Donovan McNabb
Tony Romo
Jason Campbell
Jay Cutler
Aaron Rodgers

Rivers is a joke.

 

Originally Posted by JmL1984

 

Originally Posted by KneeG

 

Originally Posted by Ollie79

 

Originally Posted by FenwayKing

"Ben" is a good QB, but nowhere near the great that people are already making him. I think I heard on PTI a couple weeks ago that now with Brady out, there isn't another QB you'd take ahead of him. Really? Are we sure about this? The guy takes way too many sacks (And while his o-line has sucked this year, many of the sacks have been his fault). He was careless today again and for what it's worth, sucked in the Super Bowl too (Seattle got hosed in that game)

Ding Ding Ding

For the record, QBs I'd take ahead of "Ben" at the moment:

Drew Brees
Phillip Rivers
Matt Ryan
Both Manning Brothers
Donovan McNabb
Tony Romo
Jason Campbell
Jay Cutler
Aaron Rodgers

LOL at Ryan, Campbell, Cutler, and Rodgers

have to agree, i think big ben is the better QB this year than these players...although i dont LOL as hard at saying rodgers is better. imo they are about the same skill at QB, but rodgers has more upside to him and at this moment in time is playing at about the same level as big ben.

I can see an argument for Ben being better career wise than Ryan, as he is a rookie, but IMO Ryan has been far better than Ben this year. Most of the Steelers wins have been due to the Defense, whereas Ryan has been actually winning games for the Falcons.

Steelers have lost against all good teams they've played this year, and Ben was woeful against the Ravens, it was only a stupid penalty by Johnson and Joe Flacco's errors that let the Steelers win that one.

 

Originally Posted by JmL1984

 

Originally Posted by KneeG

I've been defending Tomlin all season but at some point he has to do something about Arians. They have a banged up qb, a bad pass blocking o-line, and he decides to chuck it 40 times when they have the lead the majority of the game. The defense is the superior unit so they need to play to their strength. The Colts 1st td was a lucky bounce and Ben handed them the last 2 td's. You cant keep putting the defense on a short field and expect to win. The defense gave them the ball with a 3 point lead late in the 4th and they didnt run it once. Same thing at the end of the 1st half, 3rd and 2 from your own 16 up 10 and they throw. Unless I have Tom Brady on my team I'm running it everytime. If you dont get it punt and play defense.

the colts won because they did not make many mistakes, no huge/costly mistakes...and they capitalized on the turnover by big ben. yes, the colts caught a few lucky passes but at the same time marvin was wide open twice for a TD and didnt make the plays he usually makes. imo, the colts just managed the game better and looked like they wanted this game a WHOOLLLEEE lot more. i think the steelers didnt take the colts as serious as they should have. they came out with a very basic game plan, the same game plan the colts saw their first 8 games. tomlin is better than that...at least i thought he was. the pats did the same thing against the colts last week, took them for granted and didnt make an unique changes to their strategy.

Those 2 picks won the game for Indy, I'm not arguing that. The Steelers got pass happy and it bit them in the ass. Other than a lucky bounce the Colts longest drive was 56 yards. Ben handed Indy a short field twice and they capitalized. The Colts deserved to win no doubt. I'm just pissed off at the play calling. If they drive 70 yards to win the game I can live with that, but to give them the ball at the 30 twice in obvious running situations is pretty bad.

 

Originally Posted by TallyPoker

lol at taking ben over matt ryan

Sample size?????

If they are both 100% healthy it isnt close.