[SpankyHamm]

That script is almost too real Mr. Blonde.

[rayspizza]

 

Originally Posted by MeJahAndOmaha

but you're making up a story that didn't occur. He didn't "take up arms against the cops". He answered the door armed, and cops happened to be at the door. Also, they didn't shoot him because he happened to be armed in their presence. They shot him because in their minds they were taking down a criminal who was capable of murder. You are spinning or perceiving this incident as something that it is not.

You seem like a smart person and I also think you watched the video. Is what I'm saying really that hard to comprehend? Am I just not explaining myself well?
The offending officer says if you pull a gun on police then you will get fired upon. Not "it was a terrible tragedy and we thought we were going after a murder and it was an unlucky situation all around and I'm very sorry". I understand shit happens, also understand it may have been a selective edit. My complaint was based on the presumption that the police were correct in their agency and that led me to add my own feelings about the second amendment being important if these agents become tyrannical.

[EyeKnows]

wtf am I missing, the dead guy "pointed a gun" at the LEOs, wtf are they supposed to do?

obviously they should have identified themselves after they knocked, maybe then we don't have anything to talk about.

(just going by what's in the link, wasn't there so don't know if the dead guy was actually "pointing a gun" at police.)

don't know exactly why but I always thought deputy sheriffs were the bottom of the rung professionally speaking, don't know how true that is though.

[Jaybone2315 J.B. Grindier]

While living in the hood in philly, i answered the door once at 2am, only to find my neighbor asking for an empty bag if chips so he could cook a hot dog like he used to in prison. Edited By: Jaybone2315 Jul 17th, 2012 at 08:03 PM

[MeJahAndOmaha doesn't talk to roommates]

 

Originally Posted by rayspizza

You seem like a smart person and I also think you watched the video. Is what I'm saying really that hard to comprehend? Am I just not explaining myself well?
The offending officer says if you pull a gun on police then you will get fired upon. Not "it was a terrible tragedy and we thought we were going after a murder and it was an unlucky situation all around and I'm very sorry". I understand shit happens, also understand it may have been a selective edit. My complaint was based on the presumption that the police were correct in their agency and that led me to add my own feelings about the second amendment being important if these agents become tyrannical.

I think the problem is that I thought you were taking issue with how the situation played out, but looking closer it sounds like your beef is more with the comment made towards the end of the clip.

While his comment is insensitive and in poor taste, especially considering it was the cop's error that created the circumstances in the first place, his comment is accurate. Cops have the right to defend themselves too. If you point a gun at a cop, more often than not you're going to end up shot, and that's justified. The fact that it was the cop's fault that an innocent man was put in a situation where he was pointing a gun at people he didn't know were cops, is a separate issue. Edited By: MeJahAndOmaha Jul 17th, 2012 at 08:21 PM

[eg23]

 

Originally Posted by Jaybone2315

While living in the hood in philly, i answered the door once at 2am, only to find my neighbor asking for an empty bag if chips so he could cook a hot dog like he used to in prison.

Lol I was going to start a thread of "Random Threads that you havent forgotten over the years" and this was mine....

[SmokeyCasinos]

 

Originally Posted by Jaybone2315

While living in the hood in philly, i answered the door once at 2am, only to find my neighbor asking for an empty bag if chips so he could cook a hot dog like he used to in prison.

Scalding water from Tap + Top Ramen noodles enclosed in its own bag was the way down here if you had chips you were considered baller.

[Niceguy I will find you.]

brags about hot water itt.

[Spiltbongwater]

Why would a person who is innocent of any crime, and not doing anything illegal answer the door with a gun?

[Hateflops 7 over par. ship it!]

 

Originally Posted by Spiltbongwater

Why would a person who is innocent of any crime, and not doing anything illegal answer the door with a gun?

[latifahs]

 

Originally Posted by slizza420

If someone is knocking on my door in the middle of the night I'm gonna look out the window to see who is banging on my door.

Or I ask through the door who's there. It's never a good idea to open your door with a gun in your hand. If he felt his life was in danger he should have stayed inside or called the police.

It sounds to me like negligence was displayed on both sides.

lol

[SmokeyCasinos]

 

Originally Posted by Spiltbongwater

Why would a person who is innocent of any crime, and not doing anything illegal answer the door with a gun?

What, canada doesn't have anything to fear at 1:30 am?

lol HF

[Niceguy I will find you.]

Always love these

[xxbossmanxx The Boss]

In the last ten days I have read about 10 articles where a gun got a guy killed or his kid killed or shot. A 3 yo killed his dad the other day when he found the gun.

You know how many articles I read in the last month where the guy had a gun and it saved his ass? Zero.

[SpankyHamm]

When you are woken up in the middle of the night by someone banging on your door, rational thoughts are lagging about 45 seconds behind.

[goofy2485 This thread sucks.]

I have absolutely 0 outrage for this.

If you fear who's at the door enough to need your gun, don't fucking answer it.

Most definitely don't point your gun at fucking randoms.

[slizza420 College Algebra FTW]

 

Originally Posted by latifahs

lol

I know I was kinda laughing to myself about the irony of saying that he could call the police when they are the ones who killed him.

Just saying that he had other options that would have been wiser if he felt like his life was in danger. I mean what did he think he was gonna do? Have a shootout in his driveway with some thugs?

[xxbossmanxx The Boss]

 

Originally Posted by slizza420

I know I was kinda laughing to myself about the irony of saying that he could call the police when they are the ones who killed him.

Just saying that he had other options that would have been wiser if he felt like his life was in danger. I mean what did he think he was gonna do? Have a shootout in his driveway with some thugs?

Everbody in Detroit thinks so. They carry with a bullet chambered and the safety off in case they need to be a quick draw cowboy.

[slizza420 College Algebra FTW]

I don't think that opening his door brandishing a firearm was a very smart play. To me this situation is a lot different than the one in which the Swat team busted in and started blasting that guy when he had a gun.

[slizza420 College Algebra FTW]

 

Originally Posted by xxbossmanxx

Everbody in Detroit thinks so. They carry with a bullet chambered and the safety off in case they need to be a quick draw cowboy.

Pretty much everybody up here is strapped too but we don't have as many issues with gang violence and stuff. Detroit looks rough!! A lot of cities in the US are just crazy violent.

[Zeppelin world traveler]

 

Originally Posted by zander

At least he had a gun at home to keep himself safe.

 

Originally Posted by xxbossmanxx

In the last ten days I have read about 10 articles where a gun got a guy killed or his kid killed or shot. A 3 yo killed his dad the other day when he found the gun.

You know how many articles I read in the last month where the guy had a gun and it saved his ass? Zero.

Sums up my hundred posts in all of these types of threads

[CaptinMorgan]

 

Originally Posted by xxbossmanxx

In the last ten days I have read about 10 articles where a gun got a guy killed or his kid killed or shot. A 3 yo killed his dad the other day when he found the gun.

You know how many articles I read in the last month where the guy had a gun and it saved his ass? Zero.

You need a NRA membership there are tons of these stories in there material.

[p00pymcp00perton]

[Hank H1LL]

fewer cops, higher pay, better training, less knocking on people's doors. hilarious ineptitude:

 

Hours later his [Brown's] bike was seen at the apartment complex, leading them to believe he was inside Scott's home.

They found drugs in the man's apartment but it wasn't until an hour and half after Scott was killed that officers realised their mistake. He was not the man they were looking for.

31-year-old Brown was found in the building next door to Scott's and was arrested on the original attempted murder charge.

his gf was in the apartment but it took them 1.5 hrs to realize they shot a random just trying to sleep? Edited By: Hank H1LL Jul 17th, 2012 at 09:24 PM

[rayspizza]

 

Originally Posted by MeJahAndOmaha

I think the problem is that I thought you were taking issue with how the situation played out, but looking closer it sounds like your beef is more with the comment made towards the end of the clip.

While his comment is insensitive and in poor taste, especially considering it was the cop's error that created the circumstances in the first place, his comment is accurate. Cops have the right to defend themselves too. If you point a gun at a cop, more often than not you're going to end up shot, and that's justified. The fact that it was the cop's fault that an innocent man was put in a situation where he was pointing a gun at people he didn't know were cops, is a separate issue.

Right, I don't even think this actions are unreasonable considering the circumstance - a bit hasty and sloppy perhaps and certainly regrettable, but cops are human too.

I do think you and I part ways on whether that level of force is justified if someone pulls a piece on the cop though. Especially in this circumstance I'm not sure it was justified, considering they were knocking on his door.

But yeah even that aside, I just thought his callous nature highlighted how well meaning agents can become enemies of those they are meant to protect. There is a thin line between saying "Hey I'm the good guy here and this guy pulls a gun on me, he is an idiot and deserves to get shot" and "Hey, I'm an Agent of the law and I have authority to shoot you if I deem you a threat". The later OBV has more far reaching negative consequences. Again not saying, the cop thought like this, but it just reminded me of one of the reasons the FF thought the 2nd was important right. Edited By: rayspizza Jul 17th, 2012 at 09:38 PM

[Hank H1LL]

that's where the bullet holes are? and only one cop opened fire.


firing blindly into an apartment complex seems like a good idea. let's just knock on the door of this random apartment and the attempted murderer will just come hop in our cruiser la de da

[LeftyMark Pee Wee's Big Adventure]

 

Originally Posted by xxbossmanxx

You know how many articles I read in the last month where the guy had a gun and it saved his ass? Zero.

[Zeppelin world traveler]

That was pretty damn lucky. If the robbers fire back there are dozens of people in the room. Real good spot to get into a shootout

[xxbossmanxx The Boss]

It appears that somewhere in Russia it happened.

[xxbossmanxx The Boss]

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

That was pretty damn lucky. If the robbers fire back there are dozens of people in the room. Real good spot to get into a shootout

YA that is what I was thinking. Coulda been pretty bad but it worked out that time :)