[kellykip The Chosen One]

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

Friend: You hear what happened in Arizona? Somebody tried to assassinate the congressman
Stockage: That's fucked up, crazy people out there. I should keep a gun in my car before somebody try to assassinate me
Friend: Yeah man, lots of recent assassinations. Best to protect yourself.
Stockage: Plural? 2 guns then. In case one of the assassinators come to the driver side and the other assassinator to the passenger window. Bam Bam get em both
Friend: You are so wise

LOL - I always get a kick out of re-enactment conversations like this.

[Prestonluv Hi. I'm awesome.]

 

Originally Posted by SpankyHamm

I am generally an apologist for police. They have a hard job to do and take way too much shit when they actually do their job.

And I got nothing here.

- Not a good neighborhood
- Someone banging on your door at 1:30 AM
- Police didn't identify themselves
- Guy answers his door with a gun in his hand
- Barney Fife panics and shoots the guy

This was a homicide.

its not a homicide ffs...

but it is a manslaughter and a few years in jail

[MeJahAndOmaha doesn't talk to roommates]

Wouldn't it be nice if we could attach notes to people in OT like you noted your opponents in online poker?

Sometimes you run into people that are so full of shit that their posts are hilarious and you don't want to ignore them, but at the same time its important to remember that they are batshit insane and nothing they say should be taken seriously.

[Zeppelin world traveler]

 

Originally Posted by Stockage

when you become a contributor to humanity i'll pay attention to you

That is cool. We have different definitions of contributors to humanity. My actions are to bring people together and break down barriers. I do hope to step it up and contribute more in the future but at least I've figured out my direction in life. It may not match your beliefs but from my perspective it is a greater contribution than most people

Of course I live the life of my choosing. Why would I live the life others expect of me. that is ridiculous. If that makes me selfish so be it

[Zeppelin world traveler]

 

Originally Posted by Prestonluv

but it is a manslaughter and a few years in jail

Odds a cop goes to jail for shooting somebody = slim to none?

[Prestonluv Hi. I'm awesome.]

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

Odds a cop goes to jail for shooting somebody = slim to none?

oh i know....but they knocked on the wrong fn door. They should be held liable for killing the guy imo even if it was in self defense when they saw the gun.

[Stockage]

 

Originally Posted by kellykip

LOL - I always get a kick out of re-enactment conversations like this.

me too, zep knows what a waste of air i think of him. me, me , me, i, i, i,

[kellykip The Chosen One]

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

Odds a cop goes to jail for shooting somebody = slim to none?

Why would we have them carry guns on their person out in the open if they weren't supposed to use them? Every time a cop shoots someone, it deters between 32-38 thugs from entering a life of serious crime, which saves money and lives.

[userid363 Closet, found my way out]

 

Originally Posted by Prestonluv

oh i know....but they knocked on the wrong fn door. They should be held liable for killing the guy imo even if it was in self defense when they saw the gun.

negligent homicide at most, and that's IF the guy who shot was responsible for the address error. otherwise, nothing the shooter did was wrong. or if he didn't announce and he needed to by law

[userid363 Closet, found my way out]

 

Originally Posted by kellykip

Why would we have them carry guns on their person out in the open if they weren't supposed to use them? Every time a cop shoots someone, it deters between 32-38 thugs from entering a life of serious crime, which saves money and lives.

maybe we should murder the newborn of unwed mothers to deter unwanted pregnancies? let's see what that does to this thread

[OneM24 beer pong champion]

After reading this thread I have a few thoughts...

The responses I expected to see are here.

Even though the cop shot the guy, he's not the only person responsible or liable for it. There are several levels of people involved in the planning and execution of this operation. There will be some movement among the leadership in the very near future, bank it.

[Zeppelin world traveler]

 

Originally Posted by Stockage

me too, zep knows what a waste of air i think of him. me, me , me, i, i, i,

Sadly we can't all "contribute to humanity"

 

Originally Posted by Gambo

But honestly I would let that country (Afghanistan) burn in hell before i ever go back.. Those people are deserving of the Nukes people want to send at them

[CaptinMorgan]

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

I hope they have tons of stories that a child is accidentally killed by gun fire every 3 days in the US or that 40% of gunshot wounds are accidents. Over 20,000 a year

It is more dangerous to have a swimming pool in your back yard than a gun in your house for little kids. Should we ban swimming pools to?

[Willywoo]

guns are more scary than swimming pools

[killingbird]

 

Originally Posted by CaptinMorgan

It is more dangerous to have a swimming pool in your back yard than a gun in your house for little kids. Should we ban swimming pools to?

who would have a gun in their house for little kids?

[Hank H1LL]

why do people want to ban everything they perceive as dangerous?

I want to ban smart cars, skinny jeans, and voting straight line democrat.

[moobs96]

 

Originally Posted by CaptinMorgan

It is more dangerous to have a swimming pool in your back yard than a gun in your house for little kids. Should we ban swimming pools to?

Ladies and gentlemen.......Fargo, ND!

[Hank H1LL]

 

Originally Posted by moobs96

Ladies and gentlemen.......Fargo, ND!

no, that's a pretty legitimate point.

allowing your kid to drown in your swimming pool demonstrates poor judgment similar to not keeping your gun in a safe place. maybe we should just ban stupid parents?

[Zeppelin world traveler]

 

Originally Posted by CaptinMorgan

It is more dangerous to have a swimming pool in your back yard than a gun in your house for little kids. Should we ban swimming pools to?

Where did I say we should ban guns?

[MeJahAndOmaha doesn't talk to roommates]

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

Where did I say we should ban guns?

Exactly.

Gun nuts are trying to steer this thread into a stereotypical "ban all guns" vs. "I have a right to have guns, dammit!" argument. I don't think there are many people itt who are in favor of banning gun ownership.

Most of us are just trying to point out that for a large percentage of gun owners, their justification for having/carrying a firearm is irrational and probably is a result of paranoia which is fostered by the media and it's love for stories related to violence and craziness. Not only that, but these people who own/carry guns for irrational reasons walk around with a false sense of security and invincibility, which more often than not leads to violence occurring when it otherwise wouldn't have. So you get what we have now... crackpot "vigilantes" like Zimmermann and nutjob neighbors "standing their ground", killing a guy over a confrontation related to loud music. Edited By: MeJahAndOmaha Jul 18th, 2012 at 05:48 PM

[rayspizza]

 

Originally Posted by zeppelinzoso16

Where did I say we should ban guns?

you didn't, but arguing against the reality of your statement is too difficult. Much easier to just say you are trying to take away their civil liberties and then deride you for trying to create a nanny state.

[Hank H1LL]

 

Originally Posted by rayspizza

you didn't, but arguing against the reality of your statement is too difficult.

what reality is that again? that guns can accidentally kill people?

what will we do!?!?!?! pretty sure the "gun nuts" are only pointing out that accidental gun deaths are a part of life and overreacting to it makes you a canadian.

[AmSlim22]

 

Originally Posted by CaptinMorgan

It is more dangerous to have a swimming pool in your back yard than a gun in your house for little kids. Should we ban swimming pools to?

 

Originally Posted by Willywoo

guns are more scary than swimming pools

how can a lawyer not call out the stupidity of this statement.


and to what zepp said, i dont think i have really seen anyone who has ever said we should ban all guns in an OT thread. it prob has been said, but i cant really think of anyone who holds that view off top of head. i mean i have even said that i could picture situations where i would maybe want a gun, and if i ever feel the need to revolt against the govt or something, i already have an agreement to join up with monkeycowboy and he will give me a gun so we can fight together.

[MeJahAndOmaha doesn't talk to roommates]

 

Originally Posted by Hank H1LL

what reality is that again?

The reality that many people own guns for irrational reasons, and the reality that those same people who own guns for irrational or paranoid reasons are often the same people who are irresponsible gun owners, and eventually are involved in an avoidable gun related incident or accident.

[AmSlim22]

 

Originally Posted by Hank H1LL

what reality is that again? that guns can accidentally kill people?

what will we do!?!?!?! pretty sure the "gun nuts" are only pointing out that accidental gun deaths are a part of life and overreacting to it makes you a canadian.

when u buy a thing that is supposed to protect u and that thing is more likely to hurt u or someone u know than protect u or someone u know, i think its worth mentioning. and may be worth discussing other more effective things that u could do to protect urself instead of just buying a gun and thinking that makes u safe.

i also know that i would be miserable if i lived somewhere that resulted in me thinking "where's my gun?" any time there was a strange noise outside the house.

[Hank H1LL]

 

Originally Posted by MeJahAndOmaha

The reality that many people own guns for irrational reasons, and the reality that those same people who own guns for irrational or paranoid reasons are often the same people who are irresponsible gun owners, and eventually are involved in an avoidable gun related incident or accident.

link?

and the way I remember the last couple pages, zep countered a "guns save people" statement with a "guns kill people" stat, thereby attempting to measure the net goodness of gun ownership. it's a long and pointless argument imo, and if I tried we'd both end up making baseless assumptions like your quote above. I'll stick with asking should we or should we not be able to own guns. the responsibility with which one approaches ownership isn't up to me or you. Edited By: Hank H1LL Jul 18th, 2012 at 06:38 PM

[Hank H1LL]

 

Originally Posted by AmSlim22

when u buy a thing that is supposed to protect u and that thing is more likely to hurt u or someone u know than protect u or someone u know, i think its worth mentioning.

link?

I own one gun, a .22 rifle I use to shoot small game. if I moved to a different state I wouldn't be able to do that because a bunch of suits that have never handled a gun decided guns were too dangerous for me to use. and while we're rolling with broad baseless assumptions, the ratio of people who own guns for reasons other than self-defense compared to the insecure white kid in the ghetto is really really REALLY high. but the only representation of gun ownership in these arguments is the people who intend to use them on human beings. it would be just as stupid but less annoying to me if the suits focused on banning handguns only.

 

i also know that i would be miserable if i lived somewhere that resulted in me thinking "where's my gun?" any time there was a strange noise outside the house.

that isn't an option for everyone. and don't think that just because guns are outlawed that "bad people" won't have them. Edited By: Hank H1LL Jul 18th, 2012 at 06:27 PM

[rayspizza]

 

Originally Posted by AmSlim22

when u buy a thing that is supposed to protect u and that thing is more likely to hurt u or someone u know than protect u or someone u know, i think its worth mentioning. and may be worth discussing other more effective things that u could do to protect urself instead of just buying a gun and thinking that makes u safe.

Well said.

[AmSlim22]

 

Originally Posted by Hank H1LL

link?

I own one gun, a .22 rifle I use to shoot small game. if I moved to a different state I wouldn't be able to do that because a bunch of suits that have never handled a gun decided guns were too dangerous for me to use. and while we're rolling with broad baseless assumptions, the ratio of people who own guns for reasons other than self-defense compared to the insecure white kid in the ghetto is really really REALLY high. but the only representation of gun ownership in these arguments is the people who intend to use them on human beings. it would be just as stupid but less annoying to me if the suits focused on banning handguns only.



that isn't an option for everyone. and don't think that just because guns are outlawed that "bad people" won't have them.

do u eat the small game?

in these threads, i am usually talking about guns for self-defense obv. if a person wants to go to a shooting range or skeet shoot or whatever, i dont care. i think hunting to just kill things is kinda weird, but hunting and eating the food is ok with me.

again, not suggesting outlawing guns. i obv would hope someday we become civilized enough to not see a need for them, but that is a ways down the road unfortunately.

[Hank H1LL]

lol jfc

I'm pretty sure people buying guns to protect themselves aren't feeling too "safe." if guns didn't exist those people would be buying knives to protect themselves against the threat of knives.