Originally Posted by Joshole

ECU, The guy running for office is the one saying its gods plan. If he says its gods plan for a man to rape a woman it also means it was his will to have her raped. See how that works. What did all these poor women do to god to deserve rape?

Its for the better. The raping all pays off in the end when you go to heaven.

 

Originally Posted by Joshole

ECU, The guy running for office is the one saying its gods plan. If he says its gods plan for a man to rape a woman it also means it was his will to have her raped. See how that works. What did all these poor women do to god to deserve rape?

I think I addressed this question above. I can't speak to what the guy meant by what he said. It comes across as very insensitive and is never a comment I think should be made to someone experiencing a traumatic event in their life. I don't think it's God's plan for anyone to get raped, or to get pregnant from a rape, but I do believe God can restore and redeem the awful events in our lives in a positive way. I know plenty of people, including myself, who have experienced that for themselves.

 

Originally Posted by Magnet Steve

I'm not the one telling women that they shouldn't abort rape babies.

No, you're just implying that someone else's view is less valid than yours because the rape she experienced didn't get her pregnant.

Seems like you also somehow fail to understand that the opposing view on abortion isn't "oh you got raped? deal with it" It's "oh, your mom got raped? you still have a right to live." Jesus man. I'm not even picking sides in the argument, just your methods are dickish. That's all I'm trying to say.

I bet God despises religion. I'm sure he didn't intend to give people free will only to join these mind limiting organizations...

I enjoy taking the unpopular side of these debates in OT. It bears no relationship to my own personal views so I guess "playing devil's advocate" might be a better description than "level."

ECU, once you get tired of your shitty desert misogynist God, there are 1000's of others to choose from, some of them are even female themselves. Might I suggest a Goddess from the Greek or Roman pantheons? Diana don't take no mess.

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

Your inability to see that people who view life as sacred have those exact same convictions about the life of the baby and the morality of aborting it as you do about the repugnancy and morality of carrying a child of rape to term will prevent you from ever being able to argue objectively or effectively on this subject. Tolerance is a hallmark of an enlightened society.

I see it just fine, it's just an unsupportable claim. Thanks for your concern, though.

 

Originally Posted by ECUgirl

I also feel very sad that so many of you seem incredibly angry about God and see Him as some evil sky jerk that's out to get people (if you acknowledge His existence at all).

Any superior being who thinks he has the right to force me to bow and slave for him just because he says so and with threats of force if I don't is an evil jerk in my book. However, I will defend your right to practice your faith however you want as long as you don't infringe on me. But yeah, your "God" is an evil jerk.

Aborted rape babies go to heaven too so what's the problem Christ-ers

 

Originally Posted by Dyzalot

Any superior being who thinks he has the right to force me to bow and slave for him just because he says so and with threats of force if I don't is an evil jerk in my book. However, I will defend your right to practice your faith however you want as long as you don't infringe on me. But yeah, your "God" is an evil jerk.

You're entitled to your opinion. I don't see Him forcing anyone, actually, and I'm not a slave. In fact, just the opposite :) I'm loved, forgiven, chosen and free.

"But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light"--1 Peter 2:9.

"So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed"--John 8:36.

That's how I see myself, thank you very much.

 

Originally Posted by MadProfesor

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I'm starting to think it might be time to rekindle my old faith in the Greek gods, seems like fun.

edit: Wicca seems fun too, but idk if they let men join, can any OT witches confirm?

The path of Zoroaster is the true path.

 

Originally Posted by ECUgirl

Did anyone watch the video? I'm just curious what people's thoughts are after hearing from people who were actually conceived from rape. Would they be better off if they weren't ever born? Does anyone see that maybe something positive (their life) came out of something horrific? I think we should definitely take their voices into account when discussing this issue.

I also feel very sad that so many of you seem incredibly angry about God and see Him as some evil sky jerk that's out to get people (if you acknowledge His existence at all). I realize that many times the reason you have that impression is because of Christians, which breaks my heart :( I wish you could experience God as I do--as love, light, hope and grace. I've gotten a lot of heat for being vocal about my beliefs on here, but God has had nothing but a positive impact on my life and the lives of countless people I know. The Christians I know are loving, caring, kind and compassionate people. It's a shame that the ones who don't display those traits are the ones who get all the attention.

I watched the video seems like an attempt at putting a guilt trip on victims of these crimes, who do not want to carry their rapist child. I believe those women made a choice to have the children in the video, but that was their choice, should we force that choice on women who don't want that child?

ECU do you believe that we tell a women who just had her choice taken away and her body horrifically violated. That now she has no choice on whether or not she now has to carry her rapist baby. I think that is a little to much for women in a country where one out of six women are raped.

The real problem is most of these pro-life people are really pro-birth. There job stops as soon as the child is born then after that it's the mothers problem. They are not taking into account if the victim has health insurance, flexibility in her job for doctor appointments and delivery of the child. They don't ask if she has the income to support a unwanted pregnancy or if they are in a relationship or married and if there significant other wants to take care of the child of the man who raped her. No there responsibility stops at child birth.

Mission accomplished Gods will is done, lets see who else life we can make miserable with our high moral standards.

Edit: I should probably point out I am not saying ECU believes in forcing women to have rape babies. I am referring to those in the pro-birth movement and in congress that do.

Think of heaven as oneness with God and hell as eternal separation from God. Makes sense that one cannot get to heaven without acceptance.

One does not "earn" their oneness with God thru good acts. It is a good by-product of the acceptance tho.

 

Originally Posted by jay_bear

My standards are grounded in freedom of choice, an until science can find a way for a embryo to voice its opinion, then I say we defer to the mother.

Same logic applies to five month old baby?