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I watched a documentary about the American public education system that I'd recommend everybody watch who cares about the subject. It's called "Waiting for Superman" and it's available on Netflix.
I've seen both sides of public education. I went to a high school for the first 3 years that cared and seemed to cater education to each individual student. We had advisors that put you in classes that would prepare you for college and whatever major you planned on taking on. Then my senior year, I went to a small town high school that has the "one size fits all" mentality. Lets just say I didn't do anything my senior year and somehow got straight A's. It's shocking how some schools don't prepare students for the next level at all.
My wife is a victim of the public education system that has the "one size fits all" mentality. When we first started dating, she had no idea how to write a proper paper. I was appauled at her ability to write just a high school level paper her senior year, the year they should be preparing students for college. Some how, she got an A on the assignment.
What other experiences does OT have with this, whether with themselves or with their kids? -
RE: see half the threads I've started in the past two weeks or so... hahaha.
Public education and myself don't see eye to eye a lot. So much so that I've debated running for school board so that I can actually split my head open fighting the idiots who fuck up our kids with this bull shit assembly line, paint by numbers method of education.
I'm basically going to sell my financial soul to get my son into private school next year. To save his future, and in effect (in my opinion) his life. -
I want to put my daughter in private school, but the only ones close by are religious schools and I don't want my daughter forced into relgious doctrine unless she wants to be
Originally Posted by jesterwords
RE: see half the threads I've started in the past two weeks or so... hahaha.
Public education and myself don't see eye to eye a lot. So much so that I've debated running for school board so that I can actually split my head open fighting the idiots who fuck up our kids with this bull shit assembly line, paint by numbers method of education.
I'm basically going to sell my financial soul to get my son into private school next year. To save his future, and in effect (in my opinion) his life. -
look for "friends" schools in your area... there is a wiki page for them
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Friends_schools
no religion and they teach people, not subjects... but I think that those types of schools are few and far between -
My daughter is in that situation right now. She is about to go to high school, she is in 8th grade. She is an honors student and has had straight A's as far as I can remember. I am worried because some the English essays and papers she has written is no where near what will be expected hopefully in high school and certainly college. She has virtually no homework and can skate by with using her awesome memory and not having to have real study skills. She does competitive gymnastics 16 to 20 hours a week after school and may have 1 hour worth of homework a week. Definitely, a school where they try to get the middle students thru and probably both the tops and bottoms are ignored. Of course its an "excelling" school on how they base them in AZ.
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Dude...she's in 8th grade, calm down. That's what high school is for.
Originally Posted by scgolfer
I am worried because some the English essays and papers she has written is no where near what will be expected hopefully in high school and certainly college.
Seriously, if you have any of your own work from 8th grade saved still, go back and take a look at that shit. You'll be either appauled at what a dunce you were or impressed at how far you came in a relatively short period, depending on your personality type. 8th graders suck at everything compared to high school/college students. -
I like the humor sir. WP I was a lazy student, but still remember having more than 1 hour of homework a week. Hell, most of her friends in other districts and schools have much more than that.
Originally Posted by Lord Supremo
Dude...she's in 8th grade, calm down. That's what high school is for.
Seriously, if you have any of your own work from 8th grade saved still, go back and take a look at that shit. You'll be either appauled at what a dunce you were or impressed at how far you came in a relatively short period, depending on your personality type. 8th graders suck at everything compared to high school/college students.
I think they are setting her up for a rude awaking, at least I kinda hope so. -
Could not be happier with the public school that my son attends...but obviously so much is dependent on location, etc.
Edited By: killingbird Jan 31st, 2012 at 10:14 PM
No doubt there is a serious problem with the education system in this country, but I do not think it is only with public schools (although probably worse there than private).
Edit: I actually could be happier..they don't let kids bring laptops or turn on smart phones at my sons school which seems silly. But thats one of few complaints. -
+1000000 all depends on where your at, DC has some of the best Public Schools in the nation, they are stunning really.... here in eastern NC our private schools are garbage and our public not much better, I assume Killingbird your location is still valid, doesn't surprise me at all Cary area has legit school.....
Originally Posted by killingbird
Could not be happier with the public school that my son attends...but obviously so much is dependent on location, etc.
No doubt there is a serious problem with the education system in this country, but I do not think it is only with public schools (although probably worse there than private). -
yeah, Cary is where I am at. But I'm obviously well aware that I can go 15 minutes from my house to Durham and find some terrible schools (and probably a few great ones). I would never send my child to a private school, but I would definitely pick where I lived very carefully. I just wish Cary had more diversity. Great schools, but they are white as snow which is kind of a bummer.
Originally Posted by mordan
+1000000 all depends on where your at, DC has some of the best Public Schools in the nation, they are stunning really.... here in eastern NC our private schools are garbage and our public not much better, I assume Killingbird your location is still valid, doesn't surprise me at all Cary area has legit school.....
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How come?
Originally Posted by killingbird
I would never send my child to a private school
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lol glad you beat me to it...seems kind of odd to have that in the middle of a run-on sentence about not knowing how to write!
Edited By: JRoth15 Jan 31st, 2012 at 10:31 PM
as for OP...i went to a small town HS, but we had a great counselor and very good teachers who did a very nice job preparing us for college/real world.
my HS enrollment was ~400. -
Always attended public schools and most of the teachers were great. They spent a lot of their personal time on extracurricular activities for the students and most of them gave personal attention as needed to help struggling students. Were they all great teachers? No, but my experience with them was positive for the most part. Students get out of it what they put into it.
I'm sure a lot of public education failure and success depends on exactly where in the community the school is located and the demographics of specific regions. I would also guess that parents who are spending thousands of dollars on private education for their children take an entirely different approach to their kids involvement and success in school than parents who have their kids in the public school system. -
well I live about a couple hours from Cary, and if their private school are anything like ours they are behind the learning curve, and only are around to promote athletics....maybe he has different reasons but at the school where my wife works in administration every single kid who transfers in from a private school is behind
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Look on the bright side; since she's illterate she won't have to read bad words on peoples' shirts in public.
Originally Posted by scgolfer
My daughter is in that situation right now. She is about to go to high school, she is in 8th grade. She is an honors student and has had straight A's as far as I can remember. I am worried because some the English essays and papers she has written is no where near what will be expected hopefully in high school and certainly college. She has virtually no homework and can skate by with using her awesome memory and not having to have real study skills. She does competitive gymnastics 16 to 20 hours a week after school and may have 1 hour worth of homework a week. Definitely, a school where they try to get the middle students thru and probably both the tops and bottoms are ignored. Of course its an "excelling" school on how they base them in AZ.
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Just the opposite of Las Vegas. If you want your kids to get a good education public school is not an option. Some friends of ours that were doing the public schools here in Vegas just moved to PA and were told their kids were 2 years behind. The private school system in Vegas is pretty big.
Originally Posted by mordan
well I live about a couple hours from Cary, and if their private school are anything like ours they are behind the learning curve, and only are around to promote athletics....maybe he has different reasons but at the school where my wife works in administration every single kid who transfers in from a private school is behind
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There are many great public schools. There are many more public schools that are not very good.
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I went to private school until college. My sophomore year of high school was more difficult and demanding than my first couple of semesters at Mizzou. I had to have been one of the least motivated students of all time and I made the dean's list. And yet others found their first year to be challenging. Its mind boggling that others' high schools couldn't have them ready for that level.
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Part of the problem when it comes to education is that everyone feels "right" in their opinion because they were a student once, so they feel they know what is best.
Education "reform" tends to be more focused on how to adjust where the money goes and less on teaching practices.
This is my 5th year teaching and the averages for my classes midterms are the highest I've ever had. One class followed up a single-unit test average of 61.6% with a MT (6-unit) average of 82.1%.
What does this mean? One test score doesn't necessarily mean anything and yet so much attention is paid to them. If only politicians would actually talk to CURRENT teachers on what is needed in the classroom instead of "consultants." -
one reason I'm thinking of running for my local school board
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a lot of the time its the kid and not the school. parents dont want to accept that though. little jimmy just a lazy fuck up? no way. its that shitty public school system. plus theres people who always went to private schools. parents went to private schools probably. their kids are gonna go to private schools who take almost an elitist approach. they wanna promote how great private schools are so they bash public schools as like a promotion of private schools when in reality they only know talking points about public schools but dont really know.
Edited By: XXEDPXX Feb 1st, 2012 at 05:34 AM -
I went to private Catholic schools in New Orleans from pre-k through 12th grade. The public schools in New Orleans are just atrocious though, so that was the reasoning for that.
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exactly
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